McGrady Expects Return to Elite Status

He and others always do that, instead of arguing the point etc, always they go personal and notice how it is always a post from me, fairly obvious it is personal, well...right back at em baby.

DD

 

unfortunately, if tracy had handled it differently, people would be on his side b/c he DID play hurt last year. oh well.

 

You know what that is entirely correct....the way he has handled himself has been a PR nightmare.

DD

 

and he still hasn't learned. he yaps way too much. if that interview didn't have grover there confirming what he said, i'm sure most wouldn't care.

o well, i truly hope grover can get tracy back to at least to 06-07 status b/c that guy will EASILY help this team get to 50 wins. EASILY. the problem is, first round then what?

but i feel he will put up an all-star type year this year.

 

You know that is interesting, I had a good friend who made it big in the Video games industry at an early age, and by big I mean $27 million bucks at the age of 23.....and while his old friends knew him well, he moved to Cali and surrounded himself with "yes me" or sycophants who pumped him up.

He changed for a good long while until he got into some adversity and realized that his buddies were still there......no matter what. - Just my opinion though.

I think Tmac is like that, he has a bunch of hanger ons .... telling him that his stuff doesn't stink......

He can not handle criticism, he is possibly the most mentally weak uber talented basketball player I have seen in about 40 years of watching it.

DD

 

if he was mentally weak, he would have called it a career by now DD. he may not be kobe, but he has been criticized A TON in his career and outside of last year still belong to the "elite" company of basketball players.

we will see his mental toughness next year in how he responds and how he plays.

 

Hmmm, that is an interesting viewpoint of him.

Not sure I agree, but it is an interesting way to look at mental toughness.

IMO, it seems he is addicted to the attention, and cares more about being adored as Tmac than winning basketball games.

That, and his inability to handle criticism is why I think he is mentally weak but you have a good point from a different angle.

DD

 

b/c he hasn't won, it's VERY easy to question a guy's "mental toughness."

remember when KG struggled to get out of the first round, people actually called him "soft" and a "choker" in the 4th. yet those things went out of the window when he got out of the first round, despite never being a big 4th quarter guy.

1) tracy was dissed by his own coach in toronto. he got better the year after that. that has to show some mental toughness.
2) nobody expected him to be a star, he became an all-nba player
3) after the mavericks loss, he worked out like a mofo, got BUFF as hell and got back problems b/c of that. that has to show some mental toughness (just got him injured though lol)
4) and now people are questioning whether he can still ball, and he is working out like crazy. that has to show some toughness.

and losing repeatedly in the playoffs, and yet every series, he shows up to play. that has to show for some mental toughness.

again, he may not be a kobe or lebron, but mainly b/c he isn't as good, but mentally he's tough enough or else he wouldn't have lasted in this league.

the problem with tracy is his mouth. he doesn't know when to shut up and always says things that will bite him in the butt.

 

Hey, that is something I understand well.



DD

 

I don't even know what this means, honestly.

lol yes dakota, college abilities clearly translate over to the pros. way to reaffirm my earlier theory. miles simon, christian laettner, trajan langdon, and jj reddick called. you repeatedly demonstrate your failure to grasp the distinction between college basketball and the pros with your insistence that team play can offset a lack of talent. name me one NBA team that did anything with as weak a supporting cast as those rockets teams did.

again, your assumptions are just blatantly erroneous. we are talking about players in ryan bowen, david wesley, luther head, jon barry, and shane battier that couldn't even dribble against playoff pressure.

your assertion is just completely illogical. you suggest that they should have moved the ball more to compensate for their lack of skill. if this were effective, it's only effect would be an increase in field goal attempts. you are inherently, implicitly assming increased accuracy without any attributing cause. these same players shot abysmal percentages from the field with wide open looks. a different system would only increase shot attempts - how are you accounting for their lack of accuracy/competence? your conclusion just does not follow. you are attributing the blame to a lack of parity, yet this is mutually exclusive to accuracy when considering that second quality in the data that we do have.

again, this is just willful dishonestly on your part. scola, brooks, landry, and lowry made up a far superior supporting cast than anything he has ever played with.

once more, you're projecting his vices from this past season onto an evaluation of his previous contributions. exactly what i said you were doing and what you denied to be doing.

Again, your Utopian view of NBA basketball just isn't plausible. This isn't college.

I call you illogical not because I disagree with you but because of your egregious employment of circular reasoning and revisionist history.

Yes, because I demand an honest evaluation in analytical discussion, I must have some sort of bias here. Sorry, but not everyone fuels their argument on emotions.

I really envy you. It must be easy and rather convenient to live life adhering to such basest anti-intellectual standards where all correlation is necessarily causal.

 

Um yeah, calling me a 'Lettuce Brain', he sure showed me. I'm not sure I've ever been dealt such a thorough intellectual dismantling before.

 

The Cabbage and DD, i hope this doesn't turn into a pissing contest between you two. I mean we have been b****ing about taking back the garm and now we have 2 old heads kinda going at it like the post yao crew. DD and I have disagreed alot in the past and there will be things we don't agree on, but thats who we are. There isn't a guy that will agree with everything another posters says, thats just part of the game. Everyone knows DD changes his mind with conviction. I hope we can get past this, its not helping the garm any.

 

After reading this entire thread, sounds to me like you and T-Mac have a fair bit in common.

 

Yeah, if he wouldn't say much or just give the company line, it would be different. I never thought of him as mentally weak. If he had any reason to quit, it was during the jazz series and he didn't. After the season, the guy was getting surgeries. Just like alot of people say he's not a hard worker. Thats the craziest stuff i've ever heard. You don't get to his level and not be. There have been guys with his talent that have come nowhere close to his achievement level.

 

it's the same old argument that t-mac is a ball-hogging, volume shooting, selfish, mentally weak player.

i find that to be factually to be untrue.

 

Sorry, this will be my last post in this thread.

 

Any plans on releasing a cabbage feat. eminem DD diss track?

now that would be icing on the cake.

 

t-mac 1/lee/sweet lou:

last thoughts. i wholeheartedly agree with you guys. grady's problem is simply that he doesn't know when to shut his damn mouth. and that makes it pretty hard to defend him. he had a terrible year last year and combined with his comments, some here want to retroactively assign those characteristics to an assessment to his other years on this team. it's just dishonest and erroneous.

 

I must say...if I really wanted to read this thread about Tracy (as stated in the title of the thread, "McGrady Expects Return to Elite Status)...it would be extremely difficult, as the majority of the pages that I'm trying to read have nothing to do with Tracy McGrady or his return to elite status.

I'm reading crap about Jeff Van Gundy, freakin' Rudy T, Mr. T, all kinds of crap...this is getting ridiculous, and I'm sorry to say (since I'm so new here and don't feel it's my place), but some people are making it damn hard to read threads that have anything to do with Tracy, hot topics. And these aren't newbies that go around cussing all the time, or saying f this and f that, these are the vets. Come on, guys, let me read the Tracy thread, which will be, presumably, about Tracy.