You must be kidding. Tracy complained in Toronto and Orlando. He complained in Houston. He complained the coach Adelman's offense that he need to hold the ball to be effective. He also complained all of his teammates being so mediocre that they didn't take him to the second round of playoffs. He even complained in his early houston career before the team gave him the extension that he will retire after his contract would be expired.
Tmac is so much about regular season. Who care if you win 82 in a row. 16 wins in playoff is what matters.
I will say this much. You guys are consistent in your response to anything slightly related to "he who shall not be mentioned by name"
He needs to concentrate on rehabilitation this time and actually being FULLY HEALTHY before he steps onto the court. If there are any things left undone you are not ready Tmac. Waite until that moment when the Dr and or trainer gives the definitive OK first. Some time around a few weeks into the season or almost Allstar break then you get the Allstear break to rest after a couple of games then go for the rest of the season sounds like a good schedule.
No, he said it for both years....and the first time, Rick Adelman even talked about them having to change and run more of the JVG stuff that Yao and TMac were familiar with. Then, Tmac went out, Adelman said...screw it we are going to run my stuff anyway, the team took off, Tmac came back and for a time fit in and ran the offense, but struggled....the team won 22 games in a row, mostly with the team playing Adelman's everyone helping style, where Rafer and Tmac and everyone contributed as a facilitator. Yao goes down half way through, slowly Tmac reverts back to his old ways and by the end of the year they were playing his style and got run in the playoffs. Now that is NOT his fault, they were overmatched against Utah without Yao.....that is just a synapsis of what happened. Tracy has openly complained about the Adelman offense because it takes the ball away from his hands...and comfort zone. Personally, I am hoping the time off and him watching the team succeed more without him and playing more of a team oriented style will teach him that less is more... DD
We talked about this before in that a perfect situation would be running the offense and getting baskets off the offense. Then in the 4th qt when you really want a certain thing, give the ball to tracy and let him create. Its no different than what phil has done with kobe and mj. What tracy needs to do is play off the ball more like he did in orlando when they had armstrong. In the 4th or when its close, then give him the rock. Adelmans offense still didn't create the fluidness one would hope for because they have alot of pieces that dont do what is neccessary to make it work. Peja never stood in the corner all the time and neither did christie. Scola is a good high post passer, but he doesn't pass the ball. To me, the only guys that can really run what adelman wants to run is Brooks,Ariza,Landry,Wafer,and Scola. Evereyone else are square pegs for round holes.
Yes, but when they double him early in the 4th the team has to use him more as a decoy.....but I completely agree with what you are saying...assuming he stays and is healthy. Big IFs... DD
I agree. Or just like when adelman moved him to mid post against the jazz or the middle of the floor. Its basically impossible to double a guy when he already has the ball at the free throw line and hasn't dribbled yet.
Yep, Adelman really knows his stuff, I just want Tmac to listen and realize that Rick is trying to help him, lesson his load but make it easier for him. Tracy has been "The guy" with the ball in his hands everywhere he has been and has had success at it....some success, but if you want to win it all, you need multiple threats of attack to keep the defense honest. DD
That's GM's job. You really can't win close games when all you have is Rafer waiting for the ball and Shane STANDING in the corner.
NBA playoff basketball depends on talented players to create for their teammates. This is a fact. The college game is more about passing, cutting, and off the ball movement. The NBA, because the defense is so good, you can't just pass the ball around, you have to have guys who can beat a guy one-on-one so that the defenses have to over play them (double teams, and zones). What this does is create opportunities for other guys. But without T-mac and Yao, who are the best at drawing double teams - there's not a pair in basketball since Kobe and Shaq played together that was better at doing that to defenses - you can't have much going on. The Lakers showed why great individual talent combined with good team play beats great team play with average individual talent. The problem with Rockets teams of the past is that out side of YaoMac, the talent level has been...well on the level of scrubs. No one, including his airness himself - can bring scrubs to win. Even Kobe lost in the first round without Shaq when he still had better talent around him then T-mac had a year ago against Utah. You can't get on these guys without looking at things through and through. I really hope YaoMac has a chance to be healthy and play with a good bunch of role-players....if that were to happen - all of this stuff about Adelman's offense and how it was run...or JVG or whatever will be put to rest. The problem has never been coaching, it's been health and role players.
That's so true. When you look at the 04-05 team it was all about Tracy and Yao and they would have been enough to knock ot Dallas but... Than back in the 06-07 playoffs there were Yao and T-Mac and really nobody else. Those guys did their part and the rest of our roster brought their game to probably the worst level you can play as a proffesional. 4 guys scoring in 1 game? Remember? And all of the sudden when we had the talent, I mean Brooks, Ron, Landry, Scola, Lowry, etc it was Tracy who went down and kinda killed all our chances, hopes for something big. And yes, you can call it unluck. It was really a unlucky year. But that's just how things go for this franchise.
Exactly. Circumstances play a role as much as player performance. Aaron Brroks becoming a break out starter, Scola becoming one of the better PFs in the league, Yao playing in the first round all the way through, and good coaching finally got Artest through as it would have Tmac had he played on that team. Guess what Lakers fans? it would have gotten us past the Lakers as well if Tmac and Artest where playing when Yao went down. Circumstances say otherwise though. Tmac played on teams with Yao out for most of the seasons. One year against a loaded Dallas squad and some questionable refereeing and he had the worst players on his team that year too. He never had Yao after that season or good teammates until Artest got them when he finally got injured this last year. All circumstances. Just like Kobe got a young Shaq right out of high school and they never where injured in their Championship runs but also lost in the years one of them where injured or had worse teams around them. All circumstances. Just like George Gervin had and Dominique Wilkins had. Barkley and Malone. Hopefully our team has better luck in the future in our players primes coinciding and injuries as well as the right teammates at the right times to help them get were we want to go.
mcgrady is my favorite player and i truly belive he could put up 25 a game once he returns to "elite" status
Well that was great to hear, but the thing is we all heard this before so who knows how hes going to come back. It looks like he been working hard and busting his ass to get back on the court this upcoming season rather hes doing it for another contract or because hes out to prove a lot of people wrong I'm behind him and hope he makes a nice come back.
Oh brother, where do I even start? You "knew it would never work" - LOL. Amazing how you always end up on the right side of every argument, you prophetic savant. I guess that's what happens when you've argued for both sides of everything. I also seriously doubt you claimed it wouldn't work at the time, but as I said earlier, your posting history isn't exactly conducive to uhh...friendly searches. As far as the query of why you wanted JVG gone, hmmm, would it have something to do with the fact that you're a fickle flapjack? Do you really want to get into this? You wanted Rudy gone because you thought the team needed discipline and then led the angry mob against JVG because he was the exact opposite. Newer members: I'm not making this stuff up. Re-read my comments in the feedback forum. The main issue I care about in the GARM is idiocy and you are one of the biggest offenders in perpetuating that. So in that respect I am being rather consistent in upholding my values and beliefs. This isn't a personal attack. Every time you, just by sheer influence of mass volume, rile up the mob with your whimsical rants, it makes the GARM an overall worse place and impedes intelligent discussion. Do you not remember what earned you a timeout a year or so ago? To quote Dr. of Dunk, you blame asterisks, I blame Dakotas. Well, glad you are at least admitting your capricious nature. Everyone here changes their mind on things. The difference between you and the rational actor is that the latter thoughtfully thinks through all relevant factors and then doesn't proceed to beat the stance down through repetition into a bloody pulp. You're just an overall really silly guy. I probably shouldn't even mention the majority of your posts in the D&D where your predictable response to almost every foreign conflict is to blow it up. You're just a completely irrational person and it's grating to read. I can't even put you on ignore because your sheer number of posts necessarily ensures a decent amount of quoted responses. You and I...have absolutely nothing in common. *shudders. It would probably behoove you to learn how to spell the word 'inane' before using it as an insult. For about the 30th time, where did you want these multiple angles of attack to come from? Ryan Bowen? Luther Head? Uhhh, yeah, trust me, I can assure you Tracy wouldn't have minded one bit sharing the responsibilities of guarding Dirk, bringing the ball up the court himself, creating the entire offense, and scoring 30. Again, for about the 30th time, who did you want him to share the responsibilities with? Was he not trying to share responsibilities when only 3 other teammates scored a freaking basket in Game 5? Could you at least try to answer my questions for once instead of employing the same circular arguments? You're just not that bright. It's hilarious. You are crucifying this guy for not winning or sharing and various other Dakotaisms yet at the same time you are implicitly accepting that his teams didn't have other points of attack. Gee, ya think Dakota? You ever wonder why that one man usually has to dominate the point of attack? Do you think it might have something to do with not having quality teammates? I get dumber just reading your posts. Hello. Who are these other 'multiple people' on the Houston Rockets that could make a play. For about the 34th time, was it Jon Barry? Was it Shane Battier? Who was it Dakota? I honestly have never encountered a more illogical person in my life than you. You're screaming that this team didn't win because they didn't have a balanced attack but when pressed about where it should have come from, your response is to repeat that they should have had a balanced attack. LOL. You crucify McGrady for being to blame for our losses in "not being conducive to winning" but offer no suggestion as to what style actually would have been conducive to winning and again simply respond that he should have trusted his teammates and let them share in the responsibilities once more ignoring the request for a citation of who these teammates were exactly. We get you don't like McGrady. Most here are ready to move on. The difference is that most here aren't that stupid to actually assign his limitations from last season to his prior years with the team. Put any one of Scola, Brooks, Artest, Landry, or hell even Kyle Lowry on those '05 and '07 teams that lost in Game 7's and Tracy's style suddenly becomes "conducive to winning."
Thank you....I wish it were true, I am wrong sometimes too, but on JVG...MY OPINION was that it would never work, and it didn't..... I NEVER WANTED JVG...ever......and yes, I did want Rudy gone at the time..still think it was the right thing for the organization, and his history as a coach after he left sort of proves that out, right? I really wish I cared about what D.o.D said...really...trying hard...nope, don't care, you know why? Because he has been on me since I got kicked out of chat for chatting and complained about it... Heck both he and you disappeared from the GARM, whining about the quality...well, newsflash....improve it by posting.... And I got a timeout....for VSPAN and JVG comments where I gummed up every thread about those two guys....not sure how you would be able to comment on that seeing as how you had nothing to do with it other than your incessant whining about me being the problem in the GARM...of course when I was gone, the same things continued to happen, while you and several others whined about needing an elite area because you were getting lost with all the new fans. Meanwhile I was saying...Hey, quit whining, pick up your manhood and get in there and post..... Oh, please, you have had it in for me since I posted what I thought of religion. and in particular one type of religion. Well, we are Rocket fans, we both apparently can not stand to be wrong and argue about it.....and we both are highly successful in business.....oh, check that...I am, you may be too, I really don't know... It is more fun to mispell it and watch you attempt to use it against people ....I mean add Grammer police to your resume Professor....ain't you sumpthen ! Luther played that system in college sure, but picking Ryan Bowen....come on....here you go again taking the worst case in an attemp to prove an INNANE point. Well, Professor, if they got to touch the ball more often perhaps they all could have scored, but nah.....having Tmac dominate it for 22 seconds and try to create every time worked out great in his 11 years.....of NO PLAYOFF advancement. Yet, he goes out this year is replaced by a weaker player in Artest and they advance....not surprising really. Ah, the old...attack the intelligence post to try to make you feel superior.....awesome....how about now we compare muscles, or whose father can beat the other one's up......... I think you are smart, you just don't understand basketball. Don't worry though, I am just trying to HELP YOU. Gee I don't know Lettuce Brain....maybe the fact that he has not yet shared that responsibility and whines about it when being asked to....SOMETHING YOU CONVIENTLY IGNORE.... ANYONE Onionhead......anyone....that is team ball, picks, rolls, back cuts.....the ball moves....you know instead of being held by one guy up top until the shot clock runs down. You have never met me, but I love how you call me illogical because you don't happen to AGREE ON MY OPINION...because YOURS IS DIFFERENT. So, I think you aren't at all logical, you have no concept of playing winning basketball, you just sit there sipping from Tmac's apology spigot......ummmm....Tmac is the best evah....he clearly had crappy teamates.....11 years of crappy teamates huh? If you had any concept of what basketball was, when you say balanced attack you would realize that means ANYONE can facilitate because players are moving off the ball setting screens etc, but with Tmac, they all stand still - now that is not all his fault, but some of it is because they don't want to get in his way and bring their man as an extra defender if he is attempting a move. You probably don't understand that either as you clearly have not played the game. Mama there goes that man, calling someone stupid because they disagree.....hey everyone, look at Cabbage he is being condescending again....WOOHOOO.....calling people stupid. Well, maybe I just like trying to teach people like you who don't have a clue about the game of basketball how to win at it. Maybe, maybe not, but the bottom line in all of this, is they lost, as they always do with Tmac steering the ship. Isn't this fun Cabbage, I guess I just got tired of being nice, so one big old hairy Raspberry to you. I am sick of you and your DDingleberries following me around like lost puppy dogs in need of attention. Well you got it Cabbage, you and your long winded diatribe where you argue about nothing substantial, and call everyone an idiot as some way of pumping yourself up. Good on ya mate, you are really helping matters. That Ivory tower of yours must really stink with all that BS you fling around in there. DD
well thecabbage, you said it wasnt personal, but it kinda went that way,lol. I just think as soon as the duo was put together, they should've been adding young talent who can get better when they started to decline or get injured. Thats why i was more pissed about the young talent not coming in 06 than i was anything. You kinda want your team in waves. That means as the best players decline,the younger guys are going up. Thats how the spurs have managed to stay up for so long. As duncan started showing signs of wear, it has been masked because of parker's surge. So now you have a great mix. This would be rudy or brewers 4th yr coming up and they're both still trending upward. The one thing i found funny on this board last year was the sheer hate for tracy. Personally, he's a man like any other man, but some in the garm would have you think he was the devil on 2 feet. I know for a fact, very,very personally that he never healed through the summer. People say he didn't rehab or whatever, he looked fat, whatever, but athletes train, regular people workout,huge difference. Once it was seen shane wasn't goingto be back, he tried to play. With the on and off status and subpar play, he made a career decision which is what every player should make. Grant Hill is the classic exmple of a guy who played , taking one for the team, and cost him a hall of fame career. Tracy made a career decision and he will see if it will pay off this year. I don't think tracy will ever get back to where he was 4 yrs ago, but he's still a special player because of his size and skillset. I'm not banking on anything wih him or Yao. I'm really ready to just play alot of young guys and move on and start over. We did it with moses and dream, so i don't know why we cant do it again.
