exactly, this country is falling apart economically, we've got two wars that we are borrowing our way through, and these people are scared of obama because they think he's going to allow terrorism? unbelievable
You said, in context, the "Kill him" was clearly aimed at Ayers. You then it's possible that the rest were as well, but of course that would make absolutely no sense in context. And I was referring to this post; maybe you were joking and I misinterpreted. In the video posted, the word "terrorist" is clearly heard, and yet you say you heard "a shark". [rquoter] I heard "Zero!" That's all I made out of that... "What does he plan for America?" "Zero!" I also heard when the question "Who is B.O?" someone said, "a shark." I didn't hear anything unusual about lawyers... [/rquoter]
^I still get a twisted laugh at his reaction. McCain really has no control over his party or his supporters.
The shout of "TERRORIST!" was in response to McCain's question "Who is the real Barack Obama? It certainly was not in reference to Ayers. The person at a Palin ralley that said "Bomb Obama" was not speaking in reference to Ayers. I can't believe that you would defend these kinds of threats against a Presidential candidate.
Which is why he cannot be president. I've been saying for quite some time McCain would be weak, ineffectual and a lame-duck from day 1 as both parties immediately looked forward to 2010 & 2012. People who want a strong leader yet support McCain are contradicting themselves.
I wouldn't be surprised if these constituents are the same kind that supports bombing abortion clinics with people inside. At least there'd be a cool 30 second timelapse youtube vid of the same Republican politicians who hate him, then love him, then hate again.
I don't doubt it. Either way for someone on this board to defend those kinds of threats shows a loss of reason and rational thinking. It also shows a lack of respect for civility and a civil society. Some of you need to think.
It's spilling down into other races. http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/101008/ele_342247649.shtml This is not a McCain-Palin rally. This is a debate for one of Georgia's senate seats.
I'm also amused that these people think killing a potential President wouldn't be an act of terrorism. What word are they fumbling around with? Herorism? Patriotism?
Where has McCain's integrity been during this whole campaing? Some of you guys are bending over to give him too much credit. I don't think McCain is a demon. I just think he is a hypocrite. He is running a campaign of fear and hatred. Between his ads and his campaign rhetoric, it was no surprise to see these crowds get all riled up. I hate "Team Sports" politics myself (heck, even though Obama is getting my vote, a couple of local incumbent congressional and state legislative Democrats won't be). But I'm not gonna play false equivocation by acting like folks realizing who the real McCain is happens to be the same thing as this very hate McCain has been engendering. I'm no buying into McCain's public image anymore. After spending quite a few years defending him within my circle, the past 7 years I feel like everytime he pops on TV I endup telling family and friends "I was clearly wrong about that man." I am very disappointed to see who he really is. So many folks here keep blaming everyone but McCain for his behavior -- his campaing managers, Sara Palin, Barack Obama, sliding poll numbers, etc. Not me. He is a grown man who I once thought epitomized integrity. I hold him responsible for his own actions and decisions. He picked his own campain managers, he picked his running mate. This is his campaign, the first national governing operation a new president ever leads. If this is how he runs his campaign, I will not hinge my hopes on him running the country any differently. This is clearly typical McCain: go public with an 'apology' to get sympathy after whatever impulsive act doesn't pay off. Googling "McCain apology" reveals a litany of "my bads" going back to the begining of the internet. McCain finally does one decent thing here and folks wanna pat him on the back. Yet, the fear mongering ads stll run, Palin is still spouting off, and even Cindy McCain is getting in on the smear campain. Clearly McCain is a torn man, torn between his own ambition and what is right, honorable and decent. And his ambition keeps winning out over his sense of decency. I really don't think he would have reeled it in if so many prominent Republicans weren't publicly lambasting him over this (so imagine what they are saying in private) and if this strategy wasn't a clear backfire in the polls.
You are right about it being a Georgia Senate seat. I stand corrected. Thank you for clearing that up.
DD I will give you that Barack dresses like a sharp president and give you that he even talks like a sharper one. But that doesn't make him presidential. You only have to listen to his rhetoric to know that. Ill give you an example on eduction which by the way I could make the case on taxes like when he was elected to the Senate he promised to vote to give the middle class a tax break. In reality he actually voted against it... or How about the economy where he claims he will cut spending and yet has plans for 860 billion in increases. If you believe that I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you. But let me just focus on education which Barack claims he will reform with major improvements on the side of teachers and children. During his senate campaign Obama sited his seating on the board of the Chicago Annenburg Challenge as a reference for experience. That foundation which he co-led with Ayers was a joke. Obama was placed in charge of distributing 150 million bucks to aide the south side chicago schools who were in desperate need. But instead of distributing that many direct to the school programs he handed millions over to Acorn and other far-left community organizers who then decided how that money would be used. Educators and administrators had to present to these non educational institutions their proposals and when they brought forth proposals that focused on math and science achievement they were swiftly turned down. And unbelievably there was almost no oversight on this money. 210 schools did recieve money but millions are conveniently unaccountable for. And because it was a grant and not the city's money it never will be. That's damning stuff in and of itself but what makes it even more damning iswith all the millions they did spend on chicago school they still showed almost no help at all to the students. And that's not from me or partisan report that came straight from the Chicago Annenburg Challenges very own in-house evaluators. They did a comprehensive study on the effects of the grants on the test scores and found no evidence whatsoever of any educational improvements. In some cases they actually students not provided these programs scored better. Look it up if you don't believe me. The Annenberg Chicago education project lead by Ayers and Obama was a big fat failure It did almost nothing to reform education and help the children and teachers. And yet when Obama was running for senate he actually used the CAC as a reference for while he lacked political experience he has shown alot of leadership experience when heading the CAC. WOW that man has some big of cajones. The CAC was nothing more than a money funneling machine designed to finance Acorn and other far left organizations who were willing to promote their radical agenda. I am not even going into the fact that Obama still claims that this guy was a friendly neighbor. Even Michelle Obama on Larry King this week acknowledged that everyone in Chicago who had anything to do with education knew Ayers. What I find amusing is that the Obama's knew about his education reform ideas but they didn't know the man tried to bomb the Pentagon. Back to the point, Obama had an opportunity to do some good with this money and instead of he just put William Ayers's radical school reform into practice. And I don't use the word radical lightly. William Ayers education reform focuses almost exclusively on the idea of teaching for “social justice” in the classrooms. Now I am not talking about the social-justice ideals of the Sermon on the Mount or Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech. Rather a social justice that Ayers explicit defines as the need to indoctrinate public school children with the belief that America is a racist, militarist country and that the capitalist system is inherently unfair and oppressive. It's no wonder Venezuelan Communist dictator Hugo Chavez visited with Ayers and proclaims Ayers as a leader in education. And Obama served on 2 boards with him. Of course Obama wants to distance himself now and says he barely knew Ayers, but in the years when he was meeting and serving together on the Annenberg Challenge and the Woods Fund, as well as launching his career with a fundraiser in Ayers' marxist-festooned house, Ayers made at least four Marxist pilgrimages to Caracas to praise Chavez's dictatorial regime. Here is an Ayers' quote from one of those visits while Chavez stood next to him, "Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education—a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation,” and then, as in days of old, raised his fist and chanted: “Viva Presidente Chávez! Viva la Revolucion Bolivariana! Hasta la Victoria Siempre!” Wow, that guy in the neighborhood is still at it. Either Obama is naive or he doesn't care that Ayers remains an anti-American radical who would still hurt his country. Or maybe there is even a darker secret, that Ayers is still connected with Obama and Hugo Chavez knows it. Could anything be more useful to Chavez than to have someone like Ayers as a go-between with a U.S. president? Is it just coincidence that Barack Obama opposes the Columbia Free Trade Agreement which Chavez hates? Obama still has rejected only Ayers' past terrorist actions. What about his present? Okay I digress but my original point is Obama talks as good as anyone since JFK. But I lived in the days of JFK and let me tell you Barack Obama is no JFK. On education he speaks of great reforms but that is just rhetoric. Education Week said "Obama 'hasn't made one significant mark on education, And that he is elusive on accountability, and a 'staunch defender of more of the same in existing public schools". Look it up. Obama did acknowledge Chicago school program was worse than he imagined. But he is not part of the solution he is part of the problem. He wants America to believe he will improve our childrens education when he won’t even won't even help the innocent children in his own neighborhood. His actions or more than naïve and poor judgement, they are immoral. How he managed to escape free of any accusations of wrong doing is beyond me. I think he should be on trial and not running for president. So yes he looks and sounds presidential but paraphrasing Obama's on words, "There ain't enough lipstick in this America to cover up that pig! Now someone might try to write this off as a racial attack but I can assure you if I had a choice between Jesse Jackson or Barack Obama. Jesse at least seems mostly honest even if I mostly don't agree with him. Obama is a mystery and the parts of the mystery I do know seem to be slim shady stuff. But of course if you agree with Obama and Ayers school reform ideas and you want to indoctrinate public school children with the belief that America is a racist, militarist country and that the capitalist system is inherently unfair and oppressive than vote for Obama.
With all due respect OMR, you sound like a lunatic if you really believe this. But you are entitled to your opinion just like anyone else.
What a complete and total and obvious EPIC FAIL that you are. Just last week you were playing the disingenuous "guys I'm an indepenedent and I don't trust Obama" bullsh-t line, going on about others and "talking points" Now you are copypasting screeds from FREEPER forums like a total drone. You've been exposed. Go away. You don't meet the low bar it takes to be here.
A couple of things. Talking about spending and proposing new programs is not unpresidential. Every President has done that. Annenberg was actually started by a conservative Reagan ally. I agree the money could have been spent wiser. But the money wouldn't have been spent at all if not for that group actually raising it. If you want to talk about a candidates policy decisions going wrong we can talk about McCain's deregulation, hiring lobbyists to run his campaign, not voting for the GI bill, Keating 5, his crazy plan to buy Mortgages at face value from the banks, voting for 4 out of 5 of the Bush budgets. Not all of that points to him being unpresidential.
There is no respect there but that is okay because I know you for the dick you are. And will acknowledge that the end was a bit of a leap for entertainment leap but if that is all you got out of my post you are an idiot.
^ for those of you keeping track at home, here is one of the websites where Old Man Rock copy pasted most of his post from and tried to pass off as his own http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon1006ss.html There's a lot of articles using exact expressions that Old Man Rock used in that monster post, such as "Marxist-festooned" I suspect he copy pasted the entire post, a compendium of right wing diatribes, from a post on a right wing forum that doesn't yet show up on google.
This is a great point. Iroc it why are you trying to deny what is plainly there. They did shout out that Obama was terrorist. It's there to hear. Now you are trying to deny that the audience booed McCain when he stuck up for Obama. When McCain mentioned that Obama was decent and not someone that needed to be afraid of as President, the audience clearly booed! It is silly that you are trying to pretend like that didn't happen. I know it doesn't make your side look good, but to pretend like it didn't happen is silly. You can talk about having a different opinion on the Ayers stuff or whatever if you want, but to deny the truth about what is going on, and is out there fore everyone to see and hear, it is just bizarre.
Please calm down. Seriously, you sound just like the loonies on McCain/Palin's campaign stops. Can you have a discussion without name-calling and polemics? You get jollies out of hating people I guess. Does it make you feel better about yourself? Whatever floats your boat.
