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McCain VP Guessing

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Major, Aug 19, 2008.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Typical disgusting age discrimination/stereotyping coming from the left... His mother is well into her 90's and is doing great.

    Something tells me there would be some serious squawking coming out of Snobama's camp if McCain supporters openly stereotyped and generalized against some of his involuntary characteristics...
     
  2. Batman Jones

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    You Republicans are cracking me up today. Come on, man. Seriously, who's really your guess?
     
  3. baller4life315

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    Who do you think it will be? I'm no Democrat but out of Obama's finalists I felt the Biden pick was pretty obvious.
     
  4. mc mark

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    Both McCain's father and Grandfather died of heart attacks in their early 60s.
     
  5. texanskan

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    Go watch some quality non biased tv www.msnbc.com
     
  6. SWTsig

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    pfft... you act like heart disease is hereditary or something.

    back on topic... kay bailey would make a very interesting choice, imo. i've always respected her and you would know that she would sway at least a portion of women riding the fence.
     
  7. Major

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    I think Kay Bailey is the smart choice from a purely electoral perspective. If the GOP can narrow the woman gap, I think they win (barring a tremendous GOTV effort for the Dems). However, I don't get the sense he's going that route. I also think he's been warned about Ridge/Lieberman. Both Huckabee and Rush (who have influence, like it or not), have publicly said picking a pro-choice VP would basically be a disaster for the Republican Party. It sets that person up to be the Pres nominee in 4 or 8 years, and the GOP won't tolerate that.

    I think that really leaves Romney and Pawlenty. Romney plays a huge role in Nevada and a smaller one in Colorado/Michigan, but he seems like he'll turn off moderates. He reinforces the party image of being for the rich as well. Pawlenty is a non-damaging choice, I think - though I don't know how much he has in terms of credentials.
     
  8. Major

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    She hasn't even endorsed McCain. She says good things about Obama all the time and has said he would make a great President and something along the likes of sometimes, countries need fresh starts/perspectives. Like Powell, a lot of people think she's silently supporting Obama. No way she'd be the attack dog that he needs.
     
  9. basso

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    seconded.
     
  10. B-Bob

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    Disgusting? :confused: Race (your poorly veiled reference) has no scientific correlation to leadership function suitability. Zero. Look it up, (and sure, take this opportunity to bait people of color on the board; I wouldn't want you to miss that chance.)

    But the average lifespan of American males in 2004 was 75.2
    You can look that up also. That wouldn't quite finish term #1.

    I hope McCain lives a wonderfully long life, and he's apparently in great health now. But again, I'm talking basic biologocial probabilities. Your strange and poorly veiled statement on race makes no logical sense. Perhaps you could use something like a cancer patient as an example for comparison with someone over 70 years of age, in terms of probability of needing to step down from the world's most demanding job.

    None of this means one shouldn't vote for McCain. But his VP choice is not trivial. I think he has some good options.
     
  11. Batman Jones

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    I honestly have no idea. Like I said they all have sort of a knock against them. At least the ones that have been mentioned a lot. Except maybe Hutchison, which I think would be a smart, bold move. Then again, she's known to be sort of bland and McCain doesn't need help shoring up his blandness. He's got that covered.

    Romney - A problem with his outrageous wealth, especially after the house thing; bad chemistry problem - he and McCain were terribly hard on each other and McCain is known to really hold a grudge; still has some problems with the religious right as a result of his previously extremely liberal positions on social issues (former pro-choice and promised to be a better friend to gay rights than Ted Kennedy).

    Pawlenty - Just totally blah, won't deliver MN, will get eaten alive by Biden.

    Lieberman - Major Republicans have promised a revolt at the convention.

    Ridge - Pro-choice position makes him almost as poisonous as Lieberman among the base.

    Dark horses:

    Rob Portman - sounds like he hasn't even been vetted but I could see it being him.

    Charlie Crist - seems like maybe the gay rumors have ruled him out.

    David Petraeus - Some have said he'd like to pick him. If he does, it's a major splash. Big pluses are his popularity and the fact that he'll focus the conversation on foreign affairs and military issues which have favored Republicans and McCain. Big minus - Americans rank domestic issues, mostly the economy, way higher than foreign affairs. He is also untested as a politician.

    Condi Rice - I'm only putting her on this list because she was mentioned earlier in the thread. There is zero chance she will be picked.

    Colin Powell - Is probably voting for Obama if not outright endorsing him.

    So really I have no idea. I guess I'd give a slight edge to Hutchison as she has the least baggage and she'd at least seem to be an exciting pick, even if she might not be able to maintain that idea once she starts talking.
     
  12. weslinder

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    So would Hutchison, but she will have put the viewers to sleep by then, so no one will notice.

    (I like KBH, for a moderate. I've met her and like her personally, and I think she's served Texas really well. But listening to her speak is brutal.)
     
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    if he picked ridge, it's doomsday for him. they criticized obama about his views on abortion and he chooses a guy who is pro-choice? who is against the mccain's base?
     
  14. t_mac1

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    fox news is highly geared towards republican. why do you think a lot of the fox news achors said themselves they won't be as welcomed in the DNC?

    and hannity is the most hypocritical fool on earth. the morning anchors on fox news are fairly impartial. but the prime-time cast is highly biased.

    i admit, NBC is highly biased towards the democrats so i don't really watch them either.

    CNN has been highly impartial at the end of the primaries up to the coverage of the conventions.
     
  15. t_mac1

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    in fact, heart disease is hereditary, esp. if it is within your immediate family.

    let's be real, mccain will be 73 when he goes into the white house if he wins. who really believes a guy at 73 will govern the nation up to age 77 in the right frame of mind? it's mind boggling.
     
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    Batman: All good points -- pretty much agreed on everything. McCain could go a number of directions.

    Hutchinson makes a lot of sense and could provide an enormous spark in an election that's shaping up to be: Obama's new/exciting ticket vs. McCain's boring/more-of-the-same ticket. Throwing a woman into the mix makes McCain's ticket very intriguing.

    Ridge would have this all but locked up if he wasn't pro-choice, IMO.

    Agreed on Pawlenty. Other than offering the youth contrast what else does he bring to the table? Matching him up against a seasoned warrior like Biden is bad news for the GOP.

    Gen. Petraeus on the ticket would do nothing to help the "Republican war monger" label.

    Condi/Crist/Portman/Powell -- Not likely.

    Then, there's Romney. I'm not sure what ticks people off more: his Mormonism or his prior flip-flops. You have the Evangelical crazies saying they won't vote for McCain if he's on the ticket which makes about as much sense as the dejected Hillary supporters going McCain. Some complain about his term as governor. We get it: he's pretty polarizing.

    All the same, I still think Romney or Ridge are best suited to take on Biden. Both are extremely intelligent and articulate. Romney's economic experience/respectability would be invaluable and Ridge's public/private experience is pretty well-rounded. If only he wasn't pro-choice then this would be in the bag. Who knows what will happen though?
     
  17. baller4life315

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    No, I agree. The pro-choice stance is essentially a deal breaker if McCain chooses somebody else. Ridge has both public and private experience. He's well respected and he's one of McCain's top aides. I think this would pretty much be a done deal if it wasn't for the abortion issue.
     
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    None of these will be it, but the greatest reformers in the country are Tom Coburn, Sarah Palin, and Bobby Jindal. McCain could choose one of them, highlight his stances against pork, and make the rest of the campaign about reform. Coburn would be my choice, Palin would be the sexy choice (literally and figuratively).

    Won't happen, but it would give McCain something to offer instead of just "not Obama".
     
  19. B-Bob

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    weslinder, why did Jindal's name fall of the radar?
    I liked him also.
     
  20. JPM0016

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    McCain continues to talk about experience on day 1, choosing someone ready to be president. Isn't Jindal younger than Obama? That would undercut his biggest argument.
     

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