what a horrible inconveince, a damaged body and having to take time off of work. have you ever seen an abortion? I'm pretty sure that child would put up with some saggy breasts and stretch marks, rather than face the suction tube. why do you guys always refer to the woman? what about the child? that baby gets no choice in wether or not he/she lives? it is a human life you know, beating heart, developing organs........all that gets destroyed because mom is too busy to have a baby and not willing to take on wider hips. what a world.
I agree the abortion debate should be held elsewhere so i'm just going to drop it. There really is no winning a discussion like this since we all could go back-and-forth for hours.
no, I let the subject rest also. I thank anyone who took the time to read my story about my Grandmother, as I normally do not share such personal details of my life on the web, but I always tell that story(with a few added snipits of opinion) in hopes that I might even reach just one person, possibly opening a different view, that may save even one childs life. having said all that, I could care less about Palins experience, or lack there of. I'm voting for McCain/Palin just for the abortion issue, I think I have made it obvious how dear the subject is to me.
Forget that last post. I didn't know we were finally dropping the useless abortion debate. Let it rest.
abortion is one of those things that makes the Republicans shed their liberitarian label and turns them more into a Chinese-type gov't. How on earth should gov't be telling a woman what she has to have in her womb or not? How can a gov't force someone to have a baby? And republicans talk about having less gov't in their lives. This to me is the greatest sign that republicans have become a religious party and not a party of the true ideals of it's past.
you're right. I apologize. terminating a life because the child has undesirable genes is totally justifiable. what was I thinking? Fail part II
You must be against the death penalty too, right? This is exactly the reason I get pushed away from people like this (you). The ones who try to tell everybody else is what right and what is wrong. The ones who try to push their beliefs on everybody else. The ones who don't try to explain their positions, just give you the reasons why they're right and expect you to follow along. You're only hurting your cause with people like me pal so you might want to stop and think about that if you truly want me to think about it and understand it. If you have read any of my previous posts and ideas, and not just in this thread, then you would realize I do exactly the opposite of you. I never or try not to tell people they're flat out wrong or push my beliefs on them, although I have probably failed on this policy before. I will explain my position and listen to their own but not if they're going to just tell me I'm wrong and ignorant and whatever else you want to call people like me. Like I said, these thoughts, ideas, and actions only push me further away from your beliefs and causes. You have managed to do one thing and that's make me affirm my beliefs that much more and I thank you for that sir.
how on earth are we as humans allowed to decide who shall be born and who will not? it's not about the gov't FORCING anything, it's about allowing the technology to be available that puts a price tag and 'decision' on a human life. I'm not arguing being able to force anyone to have a baby, I'm saying it's sub-human and morally disgusting to allow someone to decide wether or not a human life should continue because it will 'inconveince' them.
And we should outlaw condoms and birth control too, damit. I arbitrarily say that semen qualifies as human life too! Masturbation by men is now officially subject to death penalty for murder, I decree! It isn't about 'inconvieniencing yourself' when you want to spank one out. It is a human life!
You forgot the abolishment of the death penalty, nobody should ever be taken off life support or for that matter put on it, given medicines or treatments to help keep them alive, etc. etc. etc. After all, who are we to play God?
Having a baby is more than an inconvenience - it's life altering. And if you'd rather have women use coat hangers than safe medical procedures, I question your ethics. YOu can't force women to have babies they don't want to have. Whether a fetus is a human life is debateable and certainly a gray area. If I had a teenage daughter and she got pregnant, I would want her to have an abortion - no question about it. A kid isn't ready to be a mother, and it's far more than an inconvenience. To have the gov't make those sorts of decision is wrong. I don't want your values applied to my family and life. I don't butt into your business, why would you do that to others? Your religious beliefs shouldn't apply to others - you have no right.
Indeed I do oppose the death penalty. How can we punish someone by commiting the same crime they did? aren't we in turn breaking the law also? although, if someone killed anyone of my family members, I'd have no problem killing them.......weird dude, I am huh? Pun, I think, at least as much as one can think on a forum, you are a fairly cool cat, I often laugh at alot of your posts(because they are within the same lines of humor I find funny, not laughing in a sarcastic tone) so I didnt mean to ruffle any e-feathers with you. and I'm not pushing anything, although I do freely and openly admit that I would love to change your mind on this subject. Kiss your mother and be glad she didn't wager wether or not your life was worth the damage to her body. I have never once said that you were/are ignorant nor any other name. I will respect any statement you or any other person makes on this forum about Rockets, video games, police, Mlwoo stories, prole, jelafied whatev....even if I disagree with you. but I will never, NEVER, EVER, respect anyone who even considers abortion as a legal right. does that mean I am pushing my beliefs on you? no. am I telling you that you are flat out wrong? yes. and you are IMO. of course you can tell me that I am the one who is wrong, believe me I have been told that many times on the subject, but I will feel better when I go to sleep at night knowing I have tried to change someones mind and hopefully prevent a person from making a horrible decision, that they will not only regret right away, but also for the rest of their life(and after life)
You guys may be illustrating what the Palin selection adds to the campaign. If so, the rhetoric will be very heated and polarizing just like it is here.
That's the difference. I don't believe your opinion is wrong, I respect it but you have no problem telling me I am wrong. Like I stated, personally I am against abortion except in rape and abortion cases but I respect anybody else's position on the issue, whatever it may be. If you're a God fearing person, then let him do he judging.
You reek of ignorance. Damn straight it is a life altering change. You want to say a fetus falls under a gray area regarding life? Should she have a right to kill her 6 month old baby because she no longer wants it? There is a responsibility for every action we all take. Every last one of us have life altering changes. We can't pick and choose which ones we want. My rant has little to do with abortions and everything to do with your "take the easy way out" point of view.
You perfectly describing how I feel about christians! It is uncanny. Just remember, god didn't make you, you made him. (There, I did my good deed for the day.) Can we get back to peggy hill, please?
Does that six month old rely solely on the mother for care of are there a number of people, including men, that can provide it with nourishment, shelter, food, and the continuing needs for further life and development? What about that fetus? Actually, you do have a choice on many of them. It's not so cut and dry. I don't think he was stating of the easy way out.
