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McCain on Adoption by Gay Parents

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Major, Jul 27, 2008.

  1. bucket

    bucket Member

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    So, after three pages, let's see what the experts think!

    http://www.psych.org/Departments/OCPA/Newsroom/2002NewsReleases/adoption_coparenting121802.aspx

    WASHINGTON, D.C. – The American Psychiatric Association Board of Trustees and Assembly in November approved a position statement on Adoption and Co-Parenting of Children by Same-Sex Couples. The statement was drafted and proposed by the APA’s Committee on Gay, Lesbian, and
    Bisexual Issues and supported by APA’s Council on Minority Health and Health Disparities.

    The position statement says, “The APA supports initiatives, which allow same-sex couples to adopt and co-parent children, and supports all the associated legal rights, benefits, and responsibilities, which arise from such initiatives.”

    Research over the past 30 years has consistently demonstrated that children raised by gay or lesbian parents exhibit the same level of emotional, cognitive, social and sexual functioning as children raised
    by heterosexual parents. The research also indicates that optimal development for children is not based on the sexual orientation of the parents, but on stable attachments to committed and nurturing
    adults.

    This is the first resolution approved by the APA surrounding the issues of gay co-parenting but is consistent with earlier APA positions, such as the 2000 position statement supporting the legal recognition of same sex unions and their associated legal rights, benefits, and responsibilities. The
    APA supports legislation that strengthens family ties.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics, American Psychoanalytic Association, American Association of Child and Adolescent Psychiatrists, and the American Association of Family Physicians have all adopted similar positions.
     
  2. Lil Pun

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    What about those kids who are gay but grew up in a heterosexual household, which most gay people did grow up with?
     
  3. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Elitists.
     
  4. bucket

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    Sadly, I couldn't find an equivalent statement on the teamsters' website.
     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I actually think this is a wise choice.

    I am not so sure what the consequences are of a heterosexual child being adopted by a gay couple when neither is a birth parent. Has any studies been done? I am all for gay rights, but I am also for putting the kid first. And we need to make sure there aren't any kind of issues first.

    I think it's wiser for a kid to have a choice. I bet they would choose gay parents over an orphanage anyway, but they should be able to decide.
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    be careful, I tried to say this but was lambasted for gay hating. but I was also blasted for saying i didn't like gay guys hitting on me after relaying I'm not gay to them. people tend to take gay rights to an extreme on this site.

    but also, i was persuaded that the just having a stable environment is so much better than in and out of the foster system is a much better situation no matter who the parents are.

    also, someone just posted a study a few posts up.
     
  7. bnb

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    Regardless of your opinion on the issue...that was one sorry-ass attempt at dodging a question. A seasoned politician like McCain should do better then that! They may need to put in a mercy rule at the debates to keep them interesting.
     
  8. mc mark

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    tru dat!

    What's he gonna say? "I'm not comfortable answering that question."
     
  9. basso

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    unfortunately Obama's position is no more coherent, nor defensible.
     
  10. mtbrays

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    Sadly, your Obama fixation threatens to derail another thread.
     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    you're so full of crap, just deal with the fact you support the anti gay party.

    obama on gay rights

    Barack Obama opposes same-sex marriage, but also opposes a constitutional ban on gay marriage. According to Obama's campaign fact sheet on LGBT issues, he supports full civil unions that give same-sex couples equal legal rights and privileges as married couples, including the right to assist their loved ones in times of emergency as well as equal health insurance, employment benefits, and property and adoption rights. Barack Obama voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment, which failed by a vote of 49-48.“I was reminded that it is my obligation not only as an elected official in a pluralistic society, but also as a Christian, to remain open to the possibility that my unwillingness to support gay marriage is misguided,” Obama wrote in his recent memoir,
     
  12. Major

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    If you believe that, perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension?

    http://www.proudparenting.com/node/1321

    As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws.
     
  13. twhy77

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    Can you try to play both sides of an issue any hokier than this?


    I believe in one thing, but I'm fully open to change my position when needed... :D
     
  14. pgabriel

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    he did vote against the amendment to ban same sex marriages.
     
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    I just thought the sentence was funny. I agree to be open to in the future maybe being shown I'm wrong...
     
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    I understand, but I think he may be pandering to the black church on this issue as far as his beliefs are concerned, or he may just truly not want to let his personal feelings get in the way of someone's civil rights.
     
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    Exactly. It's not exactly a clear declaration on the subject. It's just hard to be a politician and take stands for everything you believe in. There's just too much comprimising of beliefs that happen. It's why I'd never want to do it.
     
  18. durvasa

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    I frankly don't understand that position. If Obama opposes same-sex marriage, but supports "civil unions" which in every legal way means the same thing as marriage -- what exactly does it mean for him to say he opposes same-sex "marriage"? He just doesn't want the state to use that word in reference to gay people?

    Isn't that a classic case of "separate but equal"? I'll go one step further. I oppose "marriage" for all couples, but I support "civil union" between straight or gay couples. If a particular couple wants to say they're "married" and they want to have a wedding, that's their business.
     
  19. pgabriel

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    I maybe wrong, but "marriage? may be a specific to religion. again, obama may have been against "same sex marriage" but he didn't vote for a ban on it.
     
  20. twhy77

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    It's one of the most intellectual dishonest statements he's made. I'm pro civil union, in favor of gays having rights, but not marriage, and I might be open to being shown I'm wrong in the future.

    It's about as pro gay marriage as you can be without saying you are gay marriage....that's where the wishy washiness comes in. I'm sure once poll numbers change he'll be able to show how he is pro gay marriage. I'd be more interested in him actually giving reasons why he is against it now so that we can see why he is deciding to change his position once he becomes open to seeing how he was misguided...
     

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