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McCain: Not Sure How Many Houses He Owns

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Aug 21, 2008.

  1. krosfyah

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    So Rove is the political strategist of the highest profile neocon in US history (Bush) and you don't think Rove had any impact on the neocon movement.

    That my friend, in absurd.

    Let me rephrase it for you. You constantly eat $h1t. You eat it all day and all night. One day I take one bite of $h1t cause you make it look so delicious. Now you are calling me a $h1t eater? Does that really put you in a morally stronger position than me?

    You can call me a hypocrite all you want ...coming from you, it doesn't sting too bad. Get my drift?
     
  2. Major

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    Certainly possible - though the vast majority of their homes are not investment properties in the sense that they rent them out. They actually use the majority of them for themselves and family. You'd think he could venture an estimate of some sort.

    Then again, it was at least an honest answer. Better than the other two tactics he's used, which include making up an incorrect answer and then later saying he didn't hear the question (why answer it then) or saying he didn't know the details of whatever he was talking about (why state something definitively then).
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Unfortunately for some reason whether or not people can connect with a candidate has been made an important part of campaigning for years now. Many people base their votes on who's the kind of guy they could have a beer with.

    All of this stuff about McCain not knowing how to use a computer, or how many homes he owns while his side is trying to paint Obama as an out of touch elitist celebrity makes this charge seem like defense rather than offense.
     
  4. thumbs

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    I knew the housing attack would come back to haunt Obama as much as McCain. Has anyone seen the McCain ad showing the "house" in which Obama's half brother lives? It really hurts Obama's family values image.
     
  5. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Relevance?
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    how does that hurt obama. don't republicans believe in self reliance? obama could have worked on wall street when he graduated, instead he chose to work as a community activist. so I think that ad may fail for mccain, twice
     
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    No, it just shows McCain to be a petty little man that has to rely on personal attacks to remain relevant in an election he knows he's going lose.
     
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    The ad shows his brother living in a hovel. Barack says, as President, he wants to take care of American families. This portrays him ignoring one of his own family members albeit in another country.
     
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    I bolded the parts that you didn't seem to understand.
     
  10. mc mark

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    Shall we bring up that fact that Cindy Lou has two half sisters that have been ostracized from the family?

    You won't see that ad from Obama.
     
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    Petty begets petty. That's why I have been a strong advocate for Obama to stay on the high road he said he wants to travel as a Presidential candidate and as a President.

    Obama has a lot of ammunition without going after something so petty as hounding McCain on not remembering offhand how many properties he and his wife own. As far as being out of touch, both candidate are out of touch with "normal" American families -- they are both multimillionaires who have wives who manage the money.

    If Obama strikes at the age issue, there are a lot of us old folks who get really annoyed. It's like blacks with the "n" word -- they can say it but whites can't. Personally, I think McCain is, uh, past his prime, but only us old codgers can say it, thank you very much. ;)
     
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    I did understand. That's why I pointed it out. This isn't about pot smoking.
     
  13. Major

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    Why don't you seem to advocate for McCain to stay on the high road he said he wants to travel?
     
  14. JuanValdez

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    Conversely, if the statistics indicate the economy is fundamentally strong but you've personally been affected by rising costs and lower wages, you may ignore the analysis and declare that the economy is bad because it isn't working out in your favor.
     
  15. HayesStreet

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    Bush wasn't and probably still isn't a neoconservative. He was decidely anti-intervention pre-9/11 and his excursions since are more a product of 'doing something' than turning into a neoconservative.

    But don't forget your original argument, which made some attempt to tie the south carolina smear campaign to neoconservatism. That's just silly as I've pointed out. Fact - Rove is not a neoconservative. Fact - Rove led those campaigns. Fact - Bush was certainly not someone you could have called a neoconservative in 2000. Conclusion - it is simply incorrect to say there is any tie between neoconservatism and those ads. It just has no basis in fact.


    The problem for you is that I don't actually eat **** sandwiches. Your analogy is even worse than your skewed logic from above. If one criticizes an action and then does the action themselves, they are a hypocrite. Whether or not it comes from me and/or whether or not I'm a hypocrite really doesn't affect the point. Of course, aside from not eating **** sandwiches, I also haven't run or endorsed any smear political ad campaigns, so I'm not being hypocritical at all (unlike yourself).
     
  16. Rocketman95

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    Do you agree with McCain that the economy is fundamentally strong?
     
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    I don't care which road McCain travels -- he's not the candidate I'm supporting. However, I would hope that he sticks to issues and qualifications.
     
  18. Major

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    Fair enough.
     
  19. pgabriel

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    the reason this is an issue is because republicans continue to label dems as out of touch with americans. they make stupid things like that an issue, so when everyone calls obama the snobby elitist, the guy who was raised by his single mother and grandparents, and its actually compared to a guy who comes from a fairly privaledged family, who's wife is worth over $100MM it looks silly.

    this isn't in a vacum that has no revlevance to anything. this is part of a larger issue. for some of you guys who sat back and watched trader_jorge and his homie basso continue to mock kerry for being married to the heinz heir is so hypocritical its not even funny. where were you then. :rolleyes:
     
  20. HayesStreet

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    If you are a democrat and it is a silly attack, why stop someone from looking foolish? The answer is not to make yourself look foolish as well.
     

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