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McCain implies Iraq War was for oil

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bucket, May 3, 2008.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Yes, we are making progress towards our goals, violence is down, and we are helping to stabilize the region. Stability won't happen overnight -- it will take the hard work and efforts of our brave troops over a period of time.

    Have you thought through the consequences of withdrawal? What happens with Iran? Does al Qaeda set up permanent bases in Iraq? We get it -- the libs think going in was a bad idea. Ok, that point has been made. The real questions are what do we do NEXT and what are the CONSEQUENCES, both in terms of foreign policy, economic policy and our own national security. That, friend, requires thought, not bumper sticker logic. It's easy to say 'pull-out'. But it's just not well thought out. It's the easy way out politically, and it's wrong.
     
  2. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Unbelievable. In tonight's speech, Obama just spent 5 minutes railing against McCain, misrepresenting his positions, and doing nothing but spew negativity... then not 1 minute later, says that we need to vote for him because he represents a higher purpose in politics and can work together to bring change. Really? Work together with the people you just insulted and slandered? Really? Work together with the oil companies and healthcare companies that you just insulted? You are a fraud Obama. Your supporters are naive to buy into your empty, teleprompted words. There is a reason those that have been around politics for a while aren't voting for this guy. He's just the latest charlatan with a big marketing budget.

    When McCain beats him, maybe he can take over for Montel Williams as a talk show host...
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    It isn't bad politics to be negative about policy positions. It is bad when it's personally negative.
     
  4. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    We should have spent that 3 trillion getting us off oil. That would have helped up a lot more.
     
  5. bucket

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    Do YOU think it was a bad idea? Until you answer that, I'll have a hard time taking you seriously.

    I'll also have a hard time taking you seriously afterward.
     
  6. Nice Rollin

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    dude, mcain supporters should take this and run......He's being honest.
     
  7. Nice Rollin

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    it's funny how you picked a black talk show host. race is still a problem in america
     
  8. Refman

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    I personally would have suggested that he can be the next Jerry Springer. ;)
     
  9. BMoney

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    If McCain runs on Iraq he's toast. It's a losing issue.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Good grief, this is ridiculous. So someone can't compare a black person to another black person without being accused of being racially insensitive? That's absurd. Hyper-sensitivity on your part is an understatement here.

    I love how the libs can't answer the question of what to do NEXT in Iraq and what consequences are acceptable to them. Their answer to the question of how do the Rockets do better next year is, "Well, Scola shouldn't have fouled Kirilenko in the corner in Game 4." It's Monday morning quarterbacking, focused on hindsight, and whiffing on the issue of what to do next. It's lazy thought. It's the answer you give when you have no good answer. Not that I would EVER seek foreign policy advice from anyone politically naive enough to follow Obama...
     
  11. mc mark

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    Very true. But Obama and Clinton haven't built or staked their campaigns on "straight talkin'"
     
  12. El_Conquistador

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    ??

    So what kind of 'talkin' are they engaged in? Just outright lies and misrepresentations? Obama has been particularly guilty of this type of behavior recently, as he talks about the gas tax, McCain's foreign policy comments, the McCain=Bush disingenuous blather, etc, etc.

    But of course the anti-straight talkin that will ultimately sink Obama is the Jeremiah Wright double talk. North Carolina is the last of the heavily-black states in the primaries. Should be interesting to see how this impacts Clinton's approach going forward. She can drop some bombs against him with less fear of recourse going forward...
     
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    That will all matter very little in the general election, when McCain will be shown to be the true filp flopper that he is.

    Obama will only have to point to his flip flop on Bush's tax cuts, torture, McCain's position that Wright isn't an appropriate subject to talk about on the campaign, to McCain talking about it, etc. His numerous flip flops while claiming to be the straight talk express will do him in.
     
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    yeah, he only does well in those states, like nebraska and iowa
     
  15. El_Conquistador

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    He does well in heavily-black states (remember, he only needs to win 30% of the white vote to win North Carolina) and caucus states -- many of which are going Republican in the Fall.
     
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    TJ is a GOP bot transferring loyalty from Bush-Cheney to MCain. Of course he supports the war and will continue to do so unless the official gop position changes.
     
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    McCain has already spun what he said by saying he didn't mean it.
     
  18. mc mark

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    He seems to do that a lot.
     
  19. glynch

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    Well the neos and the regular cons have left us with no great options. Their policy is no change and hope that we can install a puppet who will keep the peace and do things we like such as try to stop Iranian influence. Not very likely to happen. Fortunately they are in a minority and despite spin, the support for this status quo among the American people is dropping and will reach the tipping point.

    Al Qaeda and the neo-cons both want a prolonged expenditure of American lives and money in the Mid East. Since the radical Muslims live there and we probably outspend them 1000 to 1 they think they can win this war of attrition and they may be right. Our approach which is going more and more to bombing neighborhoods to try to kill individual terrorists only makes their wounded surviving relatives take up the cause.

    Liberals and moderates want to pull out of Iraq. They don't see what we are gaining at great cost. The civil war that is going on now may or may not intensify. Iran will have more influence in the region now that we have destroyed their chief rival. Iran won't take over Iraq. The Shiites in Iran are Arabs and dont want to be ruled by Persians. At the moment they may agree with Iran, as the large majority do, that they want the foreign occupiers ,i.e the Americans, to leave, but they don't want to be ruled by Iran.


    Eventually things will settle down. America will be able to focus on other parts of the world and energy independence. American will have to take a diplomatic approach to Iran as we did with the Soviet Union and do with China. We will have to watch for terrorists as the Iraq War, our approach to Afghanistan, Gitmo , Abu Graib and other abuses has created many more terrorists than existed before the unwise Bush Adminstration. Stopping the Bush McCain approach will gradually dampend down the terrorist threat.

    Folks of TJ's ilk scared people for many years with the domino theory in SouthEast Asis. It never happened.
     

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