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McCain Apologizes for "Hussein Obama"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Feb 26, 2008.

  1. Major

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    To be fair, it is entirely plausible that the national GOP is learning that these attacks simply aren't working, but have some racist/anti-Muslim supporters (like it or not, this is a small part of the GOP base) that don't really care, and are going on the attack. It may very well be a legitimate fight between the national GOP and some of its underling supporters.
     
  2. mc mark

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    we'll see

    History is not on their side.
     
  3. rimrocker

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    Unlikely.

    And what "small part?" Do you mean the TN Republican Party? Honorary member of Congress Rush Limbaugh? Ex WH Press secretary Ari Fleischer?

    Unfortunately, it's more than a small part.
     
  4. Major

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    62 million people voted for Bush in 2004. You've named 3 people (maybe another handful behind the scenes in the TN GOP). I'm sorry, but I don't believe anything but a small part of those 62 million people are racists or anti-Muslim. Some may have a great deal of power and influence - such as the people you mentioned - but that's still a tiny minority of the GOP officials out there. While you have the TN GOP doing this, you have 49 other states that haven't. But it's always the bad apples that are going to get media attention.

    Imagine, for a minute, that McCain and the national GOP actually does have a problem with this stuff. How would it play out any differently than it has so far? I'm simply not going to indict all of them because they have some crazy supporters and extremists in their party. It would be no different than judging Obama based on the loony left.

    I think the national GOP knows that this type of stuff could very well leave the GOP known as the party of racists and bigots and ultimately, that drives away all the independents and moderate GOPers that will not want to be associated with that. Nothing good ultimately comes out of that for the party as a whole, and it's an extremely dangerous game for the GOP to play. Building a brand on racism is not an effective party platform going forward.
     
  5. rimrocker

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    If a good portion of those 62 million did not agree with what the current leaders of the GOP are peddling and what the "influential" types are telling them, they could take control of their party, silence these clowns, and have a Republican Party that does not traffic in slur and innuendo and division.

    I haven't seen it happen yet. They agree, either wholeheartedly or tacitly... or they just don't care enough to change the direction of their party. The minority that do care enough might soon be known as Obama Republicans.
     
  6. Refman

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    So if you vote for a Republican, you are either wholeheartedly or tacitly a racist? If that is what you meant, then your post is a load of crap. That makes you no better than bigtexxx and T_J.

    It could be that on issues of economy, abortion, etc etc, some people feel better represented by the Republicans.

    It was a nice attempt to blanketly call 62 million people racists.
     
  7. El_Conquistador

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    Saw an interesting piece last night that said there were more McCain Democrats than there were Obama Republicans. Makes sense, obviously, as McCain is a centrist, while Obama is on the far left.
     
  8. Apollo Creed

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    So you're saying Democrats are more open minded about who they'd choose and don't just blindly follow party lines?

    I'm sure all the "libpigs" here appreciate your compliment.
     
  9. bucket

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    Isn't it at least as likely that Republican incompetence over the past few years has driven moderates away from the Republican party? Thus, the ones that are left would be much more partisan and less likely to support a Democrat.
     
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    Straight from the RNC, Stop using Obama's middle name.


    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan formally denounced on Thursday the Tennessee Republican Party's use of Barack Obama's full name in a recent news release questioning the Illinois senator's commitment to Israel.

    Some in the GOP say the use of Sen. Barack Obama's middle name in a release is a distraction.

    "The RNC rejects these kinds of campaign tactics," Duncan said in a statement. "We believe this election needs to be about the critical issues confronting our nation."

    The statement in question, which was released Monday, said the state party is joining a "growing chorus of Americans concerned about the future of the nation of Israel ... if Sen. Barack Hussein Obama is elected president of the United States."

    It also included a photograph of Obama from a 2006 trip to Kenya, in which he is dressed in traditional attire.

    The news release was sparked by recent praise for the senator from Nation of Islam Leader Louis Farrakhan, who has made derogatory remarks about Judaism and has indicated his support for Obama.

    At Tuesday night's MSNBC debate, Obama said he denounced those comments and did not seek Farrakhan's support.

    On Wednesday night, the party removed both the photo and the reference of "Hussein" from the statement after Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander called to express his belief that using them had become a distraction, Tennessee GOP Communications Director Bill Hobbs said.

    The news release now includes a clarification that reads, "This release originally referenced a photo of Sen. Obama and incorrectly termed it to be 'Muslim' garb. It is, in fact, Somali tribal garb, hence, we have deleted the photo. Also, in order to diffuse attempts by Democrats and the Left to divert attention from the main point of this release -- that Sen. Obama has surrounded himself with advisers and received endorsements from people who are anti-Semitic and anti-Israel -- we have deleted the use of Barack Obama's middle name."

    Hobbs said Thursday that the party will no longer use Obama's middle name in news releases.

    "We're not going to be using the middle name now, because apparently, it's become a distraction," he said. "But I would note, not too long ago, I saw a wire story out of the Middle East that talked about how a lot of people there are hungry for Obama to win and, in part, because his middle name gives him a connection, and that story used his middle name, so we're not the first people to notice and use his middle name."

    Hobbs denied that the use of Obama's full name carried any racial overtones but said he wasn't surprised the statement has caused such an uproar.

    "The left always finds something to pick at other than to describe the issues; we're not surprised at all." { :rolleyes: }

    The news release, however, drew a sharp rebuke Wednesday from Tennessee Democratic Party Chairman Gray Sasser, who said it "amplifies misinformation, discredited tall tales and Internet innuendo to appeal to the worst in people."

    Though it was issued Monday, the release came under fresh scrutiny Wednesday after conservative talk radio host Bill Cunningham repeatedly used Obama's full name at a John McCain campaign event in Cincinnati, Ohio, while describing Obama as a "hack Chicago-style Daley politician" who had yet to be challenged by the media.

    And McCain, who on Tuesday denounced Cunningham's remarks, also indicated Wednesday evening that he disapproved of the news release.

    "This will be a respectful debate," the Arizona senator said in San Antonio. "I have pledged if I am able to secure the nomination of my party, it will be a respectful debate; I will continue to treat Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama with respect, just I have treated my primary opponents with great respect."
     
  11. mc mark

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    wink wink ;)

    RNC = "we would never question the personal histoy of a candidate for president. Now of course, we can't stop other people from expressing their opinion."
     
  12. Major

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    If they exist, they certainly aren't voting. I'd be curious to see the "evidence". Obama wins more Republicans than McCain wins Democrats, and Obama wins more Independents than Obama wins.
     
  13. rimrocker

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    Obviously some are not racist in any way... but if you're one of those who is not and if it's important to you, why not try and reform the party so that those people who appeal to the baser instincts are no longer in power or positions of influence? If you really vote just because of abortion or the economy and you think the Republican party is right on those issues, then why would you not come to the conclusion that the party could be more effective on those issues if they didn't have the yoke of racism attached? It's a joke here, but you see what BT and TJ do here... and that, I'm sorry to say, is the mentality of a big chunk of the current Republican leadership and they wouldn't continue to do it if the majority of Republican voters were truly against it.

    Republicans need to take back the damn party. It'd be good for all Americans. In the meantime, I'm doing what I can to try and get the Dems to find a freaking backbone.

    This country needs two strong parties that reflect America... and we certainly don't have that on either side today.
     
  14. Major

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    "than McCain" wins, of course.
     
  15. mc mark

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    geez major! fork up ten bucks

    ;)
     
  16. Refman

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    If the party leadership saw things the way I see them, then the world would be a better place. :D

    I think that the GOP will change and become more centrist as time goes by and the younger Republicans take over.

    As for bigtexxx and T_J, they are like the 2 old guys in the balcony on the Muppet Show.
     
  17. Major

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    Isn't that what the primary voters did in picking McCain over the other choices in the GOP?
     
  18. El_Conquistador

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    Major should really donate to the website, and the fact that he has not done so over 9 years and 11,000+ posts is beyond absurd. Just have RM95 and Major split the donation like they do his account and access to D&D.
     
  19. mc mark

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    I miss Rocketman95 in D&D
     
  20. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    I had never made the connection... probably because I really LIKED these guys:

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    "Hey liberals, thanks for creating E. Coli and terrorism!"
    "Yeah, and tornados and domestic violence too, ROOKIES!"
    "Wait, I think domestic violence is okay -- let me check my
    cheat sheet."
    "Huh? Let me know when I can post again."
     

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