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McCain and Obama are missing a big opportunity

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Sep 23, 2008.

  1. glynch

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    Just a joke, sarcasm. Forgot to put the :rolleyes: It really bugs me that no US senators are qualified to be president, but any mayor, or governor is deemed to be better qualified due to "executive" experience. It sounds so much like a Biz 101 concept.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    The bill is in committee, neither is on the committee......

    They should go listen, but he is running scared.....he should not be afraid of the debate.

    The American people need to know what either one will do about this crisis if elected....

    DD
     
  3. IROC it

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    Is the debate of foreign affairs? Oh, it is? Okay...

    As to "crisis"-


    Oh... well, I thought the POTUS should always be in DC immediately whenever crisis hit?


    That;s what everyone demanded of Bush on 9/11... they all complained when he didn't immediately hit the rose garden for a statement.




    And standing in front of several US flags and saying things like "presidents" and "we" like Barack just did is again showing his arrogance and presumption that middle America can't be duped by rhetoric.

    I called "shotgun" first!






    Grade school.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    I think both McCain and Obama are saying that this is a bi-partisan issue, McCain is the one on the tight rope here, does he go against his own party and support the bailout? Or does he say no along with them and let the economy crash?

    Sorry, McCain is up a creek without a paddle, and no Moose skinner is going to be able to save his bacon.

    DD
     
  5. IROC it

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    Thanks for avoided my points.


    We get it. It's a sin, unless your "leader" does it.


    Gotcha.
     
  6. IROC it

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    BTW- It's telling that you try and call out McCain first on this by listing his name first in your thread title.


    Then he takes a position and ACTS first rather than only talk about it, and you cry foul.


    Nice. We understand you don't wan't to really pay attention here. That's fine.
     
  7. justtxyank

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    I understand people thinking what McCain is doing is stupid, but to say it's because he's afraid of the debates is laughable. He's been trying to do more debates with Obama for a long time.
     
  8. IROC it

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    And BINGO was his name-o.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    I will try one last time....I have NO PROBLEM with McCain going to Washington to inform himself, I applaud him for that. Obama should too, IMO.

    That is NOT THE SAME as trying to avoid the debate.......do you understand?

    So, to be clear....

    1. Go to Washington - engage in the process - Good job McCain,

    2. Have the scheduled debate -Good job Obama.

    They are independent of each other, do you understand sir?

    Nothing wrong with going to Washington, but to use it as a crutch to try to postpone the debate because they are tumbling in the polls.....is throwing in the towel.

    DD
     
  10. weslinder

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    DaDakota,

    When I run for President, I'm definitely hiring you as an adviser.
     
  11. solid

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    I agree wholeheartedly, and while I must once again repeat that I am not a Republican, having NEVER voted in a Republican primary in my whole life (for the benefit of this highly politically charged board), it appears that McCain has made the first move by asking for a delay of the debates so he can work on the bail out plan. I commend his statement, and I hope Obama agrees.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    No need to suspend the debates, but going to help is a good thing.

    DD
     
  13. Refman

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    It certainly helps to have had some experience running some level of government in the executive branch, but I do not think it is necessary.

    Let's be realistic, any Senator or Representative has a lot of experience working with the executive branch and knows how it operates. Not to mention having advisors and a Cabinet.
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    Actually Obama made the first step by reaching out to McCain and discussing putting out a join statement to reassure the American people they are focused on the problem.

    Obama has also agreed to join Bush in Washington to work on the problem. McCain has also accepted Bush's invitation.

    I hope the debates aren't postponed or canceled though. This issue is important and the timing is right to for the candidates to make their cases before the people at such a critical juncture.
     
  15. MystikArkitect

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    What good is suspending a 1 hour debate going to do? McCain is just scrounging for anything he can to try and use against Obama because the only way he think she's going to win this election is by hurling insults. If Obama agrees, McCain looks like the guy who took the initiative. Obama disagrees, McCain is going to say that Obama is not putting "country first". McCain's entire campaign has never been about putting "country first".
     
  16. solid

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    Didn't know that, I commend him as well.
     
  17. IROC it

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    I'm sorry you've felt the need, once again, to talk down to me.

    I don't understand why that has happened with our "relationship" on here.

    I understand exactly what is going on. Could you please try and see that McCain is not running from debates? He's been asking for more debates for months.

    Can you also see that I was picking at you? And I acknowledged you were on to something at the beginning... in a sort of mocking tone.. but hey, you nailed it. Kudos.


    I just honestly cannot see how this is avoiding a debate. I can however see that McCain needs to be there for his insight in these talks. Many Republicans will be glad he's there, some of the Dems (sans Harry Reid) will actually be too. I wish Obama would be there as well.

    Avoiding the debate is a stretch in my opinion. I just don't see it.

    I also think that Obama is being stubborn because he didn't act first, so a potential negative on him is being spun back by his guys to make him look like he was harmed by this in some way. I don't think it harms either Senator, which is what they both are currently, to go back and do a little work this weekend...

    Have the debate another day.. next week. I'm sure the networks will oblige while the two candidates go put some work in to help solve this major issue.

    While some say both can happen, "It's only an hour and a half" I respond that if the debate is "only an hour and a half" then why not do it when we're out of the woods a little on this bill work?

    When I weigh out these issues... debate vs. market/financial crisis... I think the latter is more weighty an issue.


    I think we can wait a few days to see the candidates field questions about this in a controlled, framed, moderated debate.

    I feel opposite of Obama, obviously anyway, that the POTUS should just be a multi-tasker at all times... be anywhere anytime (hey, we've heard that before... maybe that's what Barack meant :confused: be anywhere but where he should be, at anytime)...


    I think some things require primary attention and focus. If this really is the closest thing to a "great depression" potentially, something Obama has been saying for weeks (albeit for different reasons), and as McCain has also acknowledged, then this isn't business as usual, the POTUS should multi-task business.


    This is full attention, fully present, in the oval office type stuff.


    Again, I'm sorry you feel like I'm incapable of thinking or responding or making a point. I apologize in advance if I've deeply offended you for having a different view that happens to line up with my candidate's view... but... I thought, at least, that was why a person picks a candidate in the first place.

    I applaud you again for seeing this as an opportunity to act. I'm sorry you're upset with your guy's initial reactions to my guy's initial responses.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    I am not talking down just trying to get your to understand that there are two seperate issues, apparently you do, I am just not sure why you insisted on linking them together.


    They are both going to be there, I applaud that move, one of them is going to be leading the country, we need to hear their views on this important matter.

    What don't you see? McCain asked them to delay the debates, and now wants Palin's debate delayed too, how is that not avoiding them? Please explain? Because Obama is right, a President should be able to do more than one thing at once.

    Neither Obama nor McCain is on the committee that is debating this bill, so they can still be there and understand what is going on....AND prepare for their debate.

    Obama called first.....but McCain decided to go the extra step and ask for a campaign suspension (which is ludicrous btw), since neither one is on the committee that is debating this bill, exactly WHAT work are they going to do? I think they should be there to understand it but they are not part of the process until the bill hits the main floor.

    No, I want a President that can multitask and does not run and duck for cover when he is getting killed in the polls.

    I am trying not to talk down to you, but it seems you are not understanding they are not involved in the bill work...etc....

    You don't think it is important for the American people to find out how each candidate is going to handle this important issue? I think it is crucial for the people to know now and be able to discuss it, there is only 40 something days left.....there is no need to suspend the debates other than McCain is scrambling to find a way to change his position without looking worse than he is on the matter.


    Obama is acting Presidential, McCain is panicking.



    Hey don't apologize to me, I am right.

    :D

    DD
     

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