But then there are guys like Steve Nash and a few other rookie/soph point guards that look more promising than Steve right now!
WOW, thanks Smegg. Good thread. Looking at those numbers, I too don't feel that he is over paid, and comparing him to some guys around him even in his worst season he is doing pretty good.
Guys on these lists I would rather have than Francis: 8. Ray Allen (Sea) ............ $13,500,000 can you say injuryprone 8. Kobe Bryant (LAL) .......... $13,500,000 you think Steve is selfish 8. Allen Iverson (Phi) ........ $13,500,000 see up 1 8. Stephon Marbury (Pho) ...... $13,500,000 I give you that one 19. Tracy McGrady (Orl) ........ $13,279,750 you right 23. Jason Kidd (NJ) ............ $13,152,000 in a JVG system 35. Paul Pierce (Bos) .......... $11,326,219 will work 40. Baron Davis (NO) ........... $10,960,000 this is Steve 1. Kevin Garnett (Min) ........ $28,000,000 takes from Yao 4. Chris Webber (Sac) ......... $15,937,500 already chased him 23. Jermaine O'Neal (Ind) ...... $13,152,000 u say that 3years ago 35. Vince Carter (Tor) ......... $11,326,219 Im hurt 35. Antawn Jamison (Dal) ....... $11,326,219 need the chance 35. Dirk Nowitzki (Dal) ........ $11,326,219 not leaving dallas 40. Elton Brand (LAC) .......... $10,960,000 Yao 40. Shawn Marion (Pho) ......... $10,960,000 seen him shoot 2. Shaquille O'Neal (LAL) ..... $24,749,999 3 years hes gone 26. Tim Duncan (SA) ............ $12,676,125 boring 47. Mike Bibby (Sac) ........... $9,500,000 come on now 53. Jamal Mashburn (NO) ........ $8,525,000 always something 67. Rashard Lewis (Sea) ........ $7,012,987 who does well at home
8. Ray Allen (Sea) ............ $13,500,000 No 8. Kobe Bryant (LAL) .......... $13,500,000 Yes 8. Allen Iverson (Phi) ........ $13,500,000 Yes 8. Stephon Marbury (Pho) ...... $13,500,000 No 19. Tracy McGrady (Orl) ........ $13,279,750 Yes 23. Jason Kidd (NJ) ............ $13,152,000 Maybe 35. Paul Pierce (Bos) .......... $11,326,219 No 40. Baron Davis (NO) ........... $10,960,000 No 1. Kevin Garnett (Min) ........ $28,000,000 Yes 4. Chris Webber (Sac) ......... $15,937,500 Yes 23. Jermaine O'Neal (Ind) ...... $13,152,000 Yes 35. Vince Carter (Tor) ......... $11,326,219 No 35. Antawn Jamison (Dal) ....... $11,326,219 No 35. Dirk Nowitzki (Dal) ........ $11,326,219 Yes 40. Elton Brand (LAC) .......... $10,960,000 No 40. Shawn Marion (Pho) ......... $10,960,000 No 2. Shaquille O'Neal (LAL) ..... $24,749,999 Yes 26. Tim Duncan (SA) ............ $12,676,125 Yes 47. Mike Bibby (Sac) ........... $9,500,000 No 53. Jamal Mashburn (NO) ........ $8,525,000 No 67. Rashard Lewis (Sea) ........ $7,012,987
just to add perspective QUESTION: Would you pay 18 million more for KG? Rocket River where is shaq on the list?
So you would argue that JJ Cat and CATO are better shooters than Miller Peja and [christie?] Rocket River
And I thought Doctors were overpaid!!! Who makes this kind of money? Rock stars, Pop stars, Actors.... and that is about it. Maybe a few Fortune 500 CEO's. Our society's values are really screwed up. Many of the K-12 teachers in this State make in the low 20's or less, just had their benefits cut by the Texas Legislature, and put up with abuse in classroom on a daily basis. The NBA players ought to thank God every day that they are not WalMart stockers, where they would likely be if they couldn't play.
is this the shortest MacB post ever in GARM? Its scary how alike we thijnk Smeg...I was thinking about doing somthing like this over the weekend to go against the constant complaints about our "max player" criticisms. I thought that once everyone saw how many losers make just as much if not more money than Francis...maybe we could quit using that argument to bash him. He may not be exactly earning all of his money this year...but considering how many other people get paid the same amount and dont produce near as much...I dont think it is bad that we made sure one of our stars got what is due him. Same goes for Yao...even at the amount he is putting up right now, if his contract was up for renewing..I would not b**** if they offered him max also. I feel in the long run, they will both be worth it.
Can’t help but notice that Steve is one of only five players on that list without any playoff experience (Rahim, Jamison, Brand, Illgauskas the others). I know that this is just due to some bad circumstances for Steve, but as far as playoff experience, he’s a little behind on the learning curve. To me, that drops him a little below Allen, Marbury, B. Davis, Webber, Marion and a few others. I’d say he’s either near the bottom of the 2nd tier stars (J. O’Neal, Carter, Marbury, etc.) or at the top of the 3rd tier stars (Houston, Wallace, Jamison, etc.)
I guess I meant better athletes....sorry for the confusion. Clearly shooting is the Rocks biggest issue. DD
Smegg, you read my mind. I was just thinking about this subject last night, only I was too lazy too actually look up contracts. I had finally got tired of hearing Steve wasn't worth his money, and I thought about posting a list of max players. What's even more interesting is how many players on that list whose teams won't make the playoffs.
Defintitely REMOVE the following- Marbury- hasn't been traded 4 times for nothing Kobe- for more than one reason Baron- just because of injuries Jamison- HAHAHA! Webber- his stat line is 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 Marion- not a go-to guy Bibby- " Mashburn- wtf? Rashard- this must be a joke
I was thinking the same thing. Seattle doesnt even think Rashard is the best forward on their team, Mashburn plays 30 games a year lately, Marion is good, but not great, Jamison is a tweener, Baron jacks up a trillion shots a game and has back spasms, Kobe i cant comment on.......Bibby is close.....marbury i still think is a better player than Steve though....so is Webber, when he plays. What steve lacks that puts him a seat behind others is leadership and ability to take over a game, at least this season. But i think once he sniffs the playoffs, he'll understand what its all about
It's difficult to really make a comparison w/o term of contract in hand and age of player. Steve is in first year of his deal and is relatively young which makes him an even better value that many on the list. Was Yao on that list or did I miss him?
This is a list of significant and relatively significant PG’s salaries for this year. Some are obviously on rookie contracts and will eventually be much more expensive, i.e. Parker. Some are on last year or near ending contractscontracts and will soon become more expensive, i.e., Nash. As a PG is Francis giving the Rockets bang for the buck? Scoring, distributing, on and off the floor leadership, defense? Stephon Marbury ............ $13,500,000 Jason Kidd ................. $13,152,000 Damon Stoudamire ........... $12,375,000 Nick Van Exel .............. $11,956,625 Steve Francis .............. $10,960,000 Baron Davis ................ $10,960,000 Mike Bibby ................. $9,500,000 Gilbert Arenas ............. $8,536,000 Jason Terry ................ $8,333,333 Andre Miller ............... $8,000,000 Jason Williams ............. $6,187,500 Steve Nash ................. $5,750,000 Alvin Williams ............. $5,500,000 Brent Barry ................ $5,400,000 Sam Cassell ................ $5,062,500 Chauncey Billups ........... $5,000,600 Gary Payton ................ $4,917,000 Eric Snow .................. $4,500,000 Speedy Claxton ............. $3,000,000 Dwyane Wade ................ $2,636,400 Antonio Daniels ............ $2,200,000 Kirk Hinrich ............... $2,185,920 T.J. Ford .................. $2,002,680 Marko Jaric ................ $1,925,000 Tyronn Lue ................. $1,500,000 Luke Ridnour ............... $1,424,400 Jamaal Tinsley ............. $861,600 Tony Parker ................ $856,200 Carlos Arroyo .............. $800,000 Mike James ................. $638,679 Raul Lopez ................. $621,520
That's the reason I'd actually want him. Marion is a stud who doesn't demand the ball. He isn't necessarily the leader on the team, but he plays hard and plays consistently well. My list of people I'd CONSIDER over Francis: Kobe (maybe not) Marbury (say what you will. Starbury's got mad game) T-Mac Kidd Baron Davis (playing better than Francis this year) KG Jermaine O'Neal Dirk Nowitzki Elton Brand S. Marion Tim Duncan I thought about starting a thread about C-ROY's Francis vs. Brand but never got around to it. I'm still not 100% sure I'd take Brand over Francis.
Marion is very good, I agree. But the Rockets really need a playmaker like Pierce or Tmac, and Steve is closer to that than Marion. We'll end up with too many guys who can't create. On the other hand, Marion does get in the open court and play D, 2 things Steve sorely lacks. Baron Davis yes, if he can stay healthy. Brand is a tough one but I'd have to say yes. That would be one hell of an inside tandem with Yao.
