There was a thread last week that said that the Clippers, after losing 2, probably 3 of their best players (Kandi, Miller and Odom) were better then the Rockets and the Clippers would be an #8 seed. If that's the case, that the Warriors 2 best players so I guess another team has leapt over us! In all seriousness, we're going to the playoffs, book it!
I know he's 6'6, but I thought Welsch was supposed to be a point guard. Does anyone have more information on his game or how he played for Golden State last year? Also, the Mavs are very high on Josh Howard, whom they plan on playing at the 2 and the 3. Nash/Welsch Finley/Howard Jamison/Najera/Howard Nowitzki/Fortson Lafrentz/Bradley That leaves the Mavs set at every position except center. As others have mentioned, this trade will likely improve their rebounding, but I don't see much progress with their defense or toughness (their biggest weaknesses). I doubt the Mav's are done wheeling and dealing, however. I wonder if they'll make another trade for a center or sign someone like Stepania. Heck, they might even convince Sabonis to come out of retirement...
Wow...These Mavs are really going to be able to put some points up on the board. But you gotta wonder, with three guys (Dirk, Finley, Jamison) who pretty much need the ball in their hands, will there be trouble sharing just one basketball? Welsch did next to nothing last year: 37 games, 6 mpg, 1.6 ppg, .7 apg. From what I remember, I think he can play both the point and the 2...correct me if I'm wrong. I did hear good things about him before last season though, so maybe he can develop with some more minutes backing up Nash.
Wow, I just came across this... the Warriors got hosed! Defintely agree that that's one less team to worry about for a spot. And no mention of picks for GS?? Man, what a trip. Yes, some of those trade ideas kicked around here might not be so unrealistic after all... who would have figured on this one?
Wow. The weirdest offseason ever just got a little weirder. I thought the Warriors wanted to dump JRich before they got rid of Jamison? Are they going to play Pietrus and JRich together now? THIS MOVE MAKES NO SENSE, even if it is for the sake of dumping salary. Nash for Jamison I can stomach. But throw in Welsch, who is a second year player and some say can be a stud in this league, and 2 serviceable role players in Fortson and Mills, for Popeye Jones, Avery Johnson, and Eschmeyer...that's trash. Complete trash. Welsch was supposed to be the PG after Arenas left them. The Warriors seemed very high on him and proclaimed that if Arenas left, Welsch could pick up his slack, and then some. I guess the Warriors were high on something else when doing this trade... The West keeps getting more and more interesting. If the Rockets don't make the playoffs this year...
I saw a few Warriors games, and even the few times Welsch was in, he didn't show much. He was advertised as a guy who could contribute immediately, but that didn't end up being the case. He's got the fundamental skills to turn into a quality third guard, but I think the Mavs will have to wait one more year.
as good as jamison is, i still dont see dallas making the finals with the improved lakers, improved t-wolves, and spurs still in there with them. dallas didnt need another scoring option in my opinion. i cant put my finger on what they needed....something intangible......but they already have so many weapons, i just dont see this putting them over the top. oh well, they are a lot better than we are so i guess i should shut up and bow to the cubanator.
You've got to remember that Danny Fortson was a rebounding machine just 2-3 years ago. Him and Najera can bring the "toughness" that they need on the inside. I think that's the intangible (besides D, of course) that the Mavs have been lacking.
Yeah, but Fortson is horrid on defense - so incredibly bad that a player who should be a crowd favorite - the tough hard working rebounder - he's nearly loathed. The increase in rebounding will be off-set by the lack of defense.
Popeye's deal was not guaranteed. I have the GSW dumping $24M in contracts and taking in $19M. Not to mention that in the big money deals Jamison's is 3 years longer tha Nick's. Clearly a salary dump. I agree that this doesn't look like a playoff team. From a non-playoff you take out Arenas, Boykins and Jamison and you add Nick-the-brick and Speedy Claxton and what do you get? another non-playoff team. Mike D. showed some flashes late last year, but I don't think he's quite ready for prime time yet. JRich is their stud, but he is a bit flakey. Dallas made out big. Nick had super playoffs and the Mavs did the right thing: traded him when nobody remembers his usual 3-for-23 production from the field.
Come on, Pued, this is DALLAS we're talking about. NO ONE on that team plays defense, so it's not like it'd make a difference anyway.
like said before a few times, GSW don't want to build around antawn but instead the talent + cash they have from trading him. i think it's good for GSW... they realize he's overpaid and not going to bring them to a ring. Sometimes i wish the rockets would realize the same with Francis. even though everyone says it's a bad trade, it's interesting to remember how NVE played in the playoffs. he time and time single handedly kept dallas in there and i'd argue the mavs wouldn't have gotten past the kings if not for him.
I guess it helps Dallas out in the immediate future. But I would have to think they will be struggling to get below the cap in a few years. Jaminson is another scoring threat, that allows Dirk to slide to the 3. Thank God I no longer have to listen to how good of a 4 Dirk is by ignorant Dallas fans. Anyways its just another weapon, Jamison is not the banger/defender that might put them over the top. IMO Brian Grant or something along those lines would help Dallas out more in terms of advancing in the playoffs. But they got close last year w/o a true 4 or 5 so I suppose they can do it again, though NVE really carried them in the Sacramento series. And what is GS thinking, why give up welsh?Id be really upset if I was a Warrior fan this hurts them a ton
Gee, I'm guessing Gary St. Jean is still the GM of the Warriors. This isn't a great trade for the Mavs (they'll miss Van Exel more than they think, especially with Nash's propensity for breaking down, tick-tock ...) -- but it's a HORRIBLE trade for the Warriors.
Actually, it looks maybe that Golden State is Having another rebuilding season......compared to a competitive season being playoff bound(That will happen when Schwartenagger is Governor...Oppps). With the Loss of Arenas, the up and coming Warriors broke down. Noticing the trades and draft picks the past 5 years, GS seems to truly fail to grasp any ideas of fundemental team basketball and continues to get mis-match talent. Mills was good and look to have potential before coming to GS. Sura was looking to become a good player before GS. Jamison a great potential player was force to play out of position and was tacked with a huge 60+ mulit-year deal. Sure, 20 ppg is great, but who care if your team hasn't been .500 forever. Arenas was there light, but team loyalty and salary cap issues were a problem. Actually with the new future talent in J Rich, Pietrus, Dunleavy(better for their sake; hey we were high on him too before getting Yao), seems to be a strong and cheap nucleus to work. They needed a proven pg to get to the players, they got him. The Dumped much salary for the future as they realize that playoffs is no where in future, much more going anywhere deep into the post season. Jamison possibly could have had privately demanded a trade, who know. Perhaps more trades are yet to come or maybe GS will try after some left over FA this year or wait till next year. Hey I guess somebody has to lose....to bad they dont get a ring for that because they can share a dynasty with the 'Clipps
Why can't the Rockets get Jamison...I would trade anyone on our team other then SF and YM to get him. Cuttino + Cato would be a better deal then what GS is getting from Dallas. If they want expiring contracts make it Cat + Rice. WTF is CD doing.....we should be going after Jamison like a pit bull and to get Fortsen too....OMFG !! DD
Does this deal really work salary wise? I just ask since it won't be made official until Monday. 1) Can a player (Popeye Jones) be signed and traded to another team in a multi-player deal? 2) Wouldn't Popeye have to be signed to a fairly large deal (a salary ratio of 14 percent or so) to make this work?
I just read the San Fran paper and came across this factoid: Van Exel, 31, was one of the league's top point guards before assuming a reserve role behind Steve Nash after being traded from Denver to Dallas in February 2002. He has three years and about $33 million left on a seven-year, $77 million contract, but Van Exel can opt out after the 2003-2004 season. I guess this leads credence to the salary dump theory because there is no way Van Exel hangs around...but it also means that Golden State will get absolutely NOTHING in this deal.
