Every one should remember that Mo avg’d 6.5 boards a game his last year with the Clipps. That should indicate that 7 should be an attainable avg for Mo. While 7 isn’t great it is certainly a lot more palatable than 5.5. Add 7 boards a game to what we will get from Eddie and Dream if he is back in the form he was in at the end of last season and we are looking good. ------------------
Doc, What have you heard as far as the Rockets pursuing FA's? I think we can all conclude that MO/Moochie will be resigned. What have you heard about Dream/Shandon? Do we have a chance or do the Rockets have their eyes focused on some other FA's? Is Marc Jackson or Jerome Williams very high on their FA list, or are they on the list at all? We seem to be really loaded at the SF position, do you know if they're planning on moving anyone or if there are any talks going on? Or, does the Omerta(sorry, I'm incapable of giving you a hyphen or whatever they call that little thingy. ) prevent you from divulging these most sought after tidbits of wisdom? ------------------
On Maurice's rebounding : I saw many Rockets games this past year, and like most of you I too was slightly dissapointed by Mr. Taylor's rebounding numbers. However, i have come to the conclusion that Maurice did not suffer from a lack of desire, Mo just doesn't know. He does not know how to rebound. Often I have seen that Mo was slightly out of position, and the ball would graze off of his fingertips. This was not a product of lack of desire, but simply lack of knowledge. Consider : In high school, Maurice would simply have been able to out-athlete opposing players for the ball. In college he also would have been able to out-athlete other players, plus he palyed next to Robert Traylor, so his rebounding was not an issue. When he came to the pros, he was no longer able to out-athlete his competition, and he was stuck on the Clippers and no one would care enough to teach him blockin out, or positioning. Maurice Taylor will never be a great rebounder, but I believe that with some work, he could be a competent rebounder - and certainly a good enough rebounder for the Rockets needs. It is my opinion that with the Griffin acquisition, getting Webber would cost too much, yes we would be better next year with webber rather than without him, but what about 2-3 years down the road. It is my opinion that we will be better in the long run without Webber than with him. ------------------ "So, is there still a big rivalry between North Carolina and Duke?" Craig Sager - Proving the only thing bright about him is his shirt.
Straight Up!!!Doc you are the man!!The heart of a champion!Just brilliant! ------------------ Rudy T. will find and fulfill Rockets destiny.
"Originally posted by Timing: I believe the Rockets were last in OFFENSIVE rebounds, not total rebounds. Quite a difference there." Good point. Also, you have to look at the styles of the 2 teams. The Rockets didn't hit the offensive boards because A) Hakeem's primary move was a fadeaway which took him out of position for offensive boards B) The team's inside outside offense meant that the Guards were spotted at the arc and rarely crashed the boards -But this current Rockets team features 2 guards who can get to the hoop almost at will. This means that they draw interior defenders quite often to play Help Defense and that the Rockets big men should find it much easier to get some offensive rebounders (aka all the Philly big men who led the league in offensive rebounding thanks to Iverson's penetration). ------------------ Get Cato out of there...
I say we sign Moses & Larry Smith. That'll take care of any rebounding deficiencies we might have. ------------------
Rebounding has long been one of the most misleading statistics in terms of translating to wins. The stats that are almost always more indicative of wins are shooting percentage and assists. If a team gets more than 25 assists in a game and loses, it is rare. If a team averages a fairly high shooting percentage, they likely win more often. Rebounding is key to a couple of specific elements of the game, but it isn't the be-all-end-all. aelliot is correct in saying that rebounding guards don't help the running game, however, rebounding is only one way of getting on the break. Another is creating turnovers. The bottom line is that rebounding is an important element of the game, but it is not usually reflective of wins and losses. ------------------ How the hell should I know why God would allow the Holocaust. I don't even know how the electric can opener works. - from Hannah and Her Sisters
I don't understand Rudy Tomjanovich's logic. Why would he go all out to draft Eddie Griffin, a supposedly good rebounder, then be happy with a mediocre rebounder like Maurice Taylor. Taylor's size won't do much if he won't box out or rebound. I agree with AElliott- we should start Kenny Thomas. Waive the rights to Maurice Taylor. Houston has had a history of strong rebounders - Larry Smith, Moses Malone, Charles Barkley, and Hakeem Olajuwon. Can you mention Maurice Taylor with those names? I didn't think so either. Even our point guard rebounds more than 6-9 250 lbs softee Maurice. Maybe that's why he got Maurice as a name- sound like a fa**ot. Just waive the soft fellow go after a rebounding free agent like Jerome Williams. ------------------
... you mine [sic] as well have sat pat and taken Richard Anderson ... Richard Dean Anderson? MacGyver? That dude would have been an awesome addition. I definitely want a guy who can make explosives out of a bobby pin and a stick of chewing game on my team. ------------------ I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip that I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.
Please don't laugh AT me...laugh WITH me! I'll redo my post, I'll throw in different facts, I'll never say Nazr again...just please don't laugh at my posts! ;( BTW - if you take Marc and Nazr's numbers per 48 ( MJ-21&12/ NM-23&16 ) and then ask me if they can help?? Well, 2300 Hayes St....I'd say "Yeah..LALALALALA!!" NEVER SAY THAT I PUT MY FINGERS IN MY OWN EARS!!! You have no idea where my fingers have been!! ------------------ Wait, there is another...
For those of you screaming of defensive rebounding, I agree it is the catalyst for a fast-breaking transition offense, but here are some numbers to put the Rockets' defensive rebounding in perspective : The Rockets ranked 13th last year in defensive rebounding. The spread among the top teams in defensive rebounding is almost negligible. As a case in point, Charlotte ranked #4 in defensive rebounds with 2608. We had 2524 at #13. That's a difference of 84 rebs over the course of a season which translates to almost exactly 1 defensive rebound per game. The #3 team, Detroit had 2626 defensive rebounds, so it's not as if we were that far from them, either. Of course, "more is always better", so sure we could always use more defensive rebounding, but it's not as if we absolutely sucked. Our rebounding was no worse than most of the better rebounding teams in the league. Put that notion to rest. <FONT COLOR=BLUE>The question is not can we rebound, the numbers say we can. The question should be, does the fact our frontline can't rebound and our guards are getting a disproportionate number of rebounds hinder the possibilities of a great breaking/transition offense?</FONT> ------------------ "Do you have a patent on stupidity, or do you simply attempt to extend its bounds?" -- Gascon asking NYKRule to talk a little bit about himself...
I was going to try to refute some of your points in your post, until I read this last statement. That really convinced me. I was ready to believe that we didn't need great rebounding from Mo, or that he could possibly improve his rebounding. But you insinuating that Mo was a "fa**ot" really opened my eyes. Thank you for this knowledge, dfbreyes. I will cherish it always. "By the way, in case you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic." ------------------ I would rather have Mo Taylor and his love of the Rockets than Webber and his love of our money.
Nice comments....no really, you sure can find some choice words to define a person!! You should be banned for a GARBAGE statement like that. I have no respect for anyone who degrades someone like you just did. ------------------ I stole your money and I did your daughter at Texas A&M University
Here's Merriam-Webster's 14th century definition of the word. Main Entry: 1fag·ot Variant(s): or ***·got /'fa-g&t/ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English fagot, from Middle French Date: 14th century : BUNDLE: as a : a bundle of sticks b : a bundle of pieces of wrought iron to be shaped by rolling or hammering at high temperature The name Maurice doesn't sound like a bundle of sticks or wrought iron. ------------------
"Do you have a patent on stupidity, or do you simply attempt to extend its bounds?" -- Wink3Cat5 asking dfbreyes to talk a little bit about himself... r****d!!! Ban this numbnut. Borrowed your quote DOD...thanxz. ------------------ Reporter asks "How close were you to the victim?" Shorty says,"Real close until the roofies wore off. Then she woke up talking about pressing charges, so I took my tongue out of her ass and left." Shorty - Marlon Wayans "Scary Movie" Go Rockets!!! SS [This message has been edited by Wink3Cat5 (edited July 01, 2001).]
Yeah he could rig up the shot clock to run to fast and then have the rim fall off when they dunked and spike their water/gatorade. That would rule! He could also rig up a trade to get rid of Cato. ------------------ Reporter asks "How close were you to the victim?" Shorty says,"Real close until the roofies wore off. Then she woke up talking about pressing charges, so I took my tongue out of her ass and left." Shorty - Marlon Wayans "Scary Movie" Go Rockets!!! SS
"Our rebounding was no worse than most of the better rebounding teams in the league. Put that notion to rest." -Well, that is true, but a couple of points 1) Our guards are the reason we were 13th in DEF rebounding and not 24th or 25th in my opinion. Francis had to be #1 or #2 for Def REB as far as PG's go 2) Also, I'd be willing to bet that the stretch of the season where Hakeem was tearing it up is the stretch where the Rockets rebounded the ball the best. If you take out that stretch, I bet the Rockets rebounding was slightly below average for the year And what happens when Hakeem is gone and Cato is starting at Center? At that point, SOMEONE will have to become the rebounding force on Houston, and is Taylor up to that task is the question. He's shown little to indicate he is. ------------------ Get Cato out of there...
Cato=Bum, Hakeem never really "tore it up" rebounding. From Feb 7 to Feb 26, a stretch encompassing 9 games, Hakeem had 7 games where he rebounded in double-digits. Even in those games, he only had 4 games of 13 rebs or more. Outside of that, the rest of the season was pretty much average. This is hardly enough to skew the results that much. If Hakeem were to come back and play full-strength for 82 games, yes we'd be a better rebounding team. <FONT COLOR=BLUE> Now somebody attack the following :</FONT> <HR SIZE="5" align="center"> The fact our guards rebound better than most NBA backcourts (if not all), has already been stated. Here are my points : 1) Our guards rebound better, comparitively speaking, than our frontline. 2) With our talent, Rudy will probably try to implement a running game and an "attack the zone defense before the zone defense has a chance to set up" type game. 3) To do 2) we will need a good running game which is usually predicated by good defensive rebounding and strong outlet passing. Based upon 1), 2), and 3) above, does the fact that our guards are doing the rebounding inhibit us from implementing our running game to its fullest extent? If your answer is "yes", then do we need better rebounding in our front court (even with the addition of Griffin)? If your answer is "no", then do you agree we don't need to add a bonafied rebounder? ------------------ "Do you have a patent on stupidity, or do you simply attempt to extend its bounds?" -- Gascon asking NYKRule to talk a little bit about himself... [This message has been edited by Dr of Dunk (edited July 01, 2001).]
Okay, I apologize for the fa**ot expletive. I was out of line. But Rockets' fans should realize that any 6-9 250 lbs player should, if he's watching the ball, get it more than smaller players. Taylor should assert himself. Or let Kenny Thomas take his job. ------------------
DoD, my answer to that question is a qualified yes. No, if we get solid rebounding from Griffin and our center position (Hakeem and whoever) then maybe we don't need to upgrade the rebounding at the power forward. But, I wouldn't count those chickens before they hatch. If Griff is playing SF, he's unlikely to put up gaudy rebounding numbers because he will spend a good deal of his time defensively out on the perimeter chasing the 3s - out of position for inside rebounds. Now if he does (somehow Marshall and Marion get it done) then maybe our rebounding troubles go away some. Even then, we're talking about only Cat and Francis running the break, because everyone else is trying to get the defensive rebound. No 3 on 2 possibilities. ------------------ I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip that I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.
