Even if you're not a Texans fan, you know you cannot use this as a defense. He has experience as a starter and yet Sage Rosenfels outplayed him the few times he actually got onto the field. Sure some of those times were against the 2nd defensive unit, but you cannot tell me that Carr has the same amount of composure that Sage had. Blame it on the lack of protection or blame it on the sorryness that is Dom Capers and his coaching staff, but Carr's "experience" as a starter so far is average at best.
on what are you basing your conclusion that he's overvalued? have you seen him play? it seems a bit disingenuous for YOU to be suggesting he's not an upgrade over Carr.
Man, no more sprite for me today. I worked for Enron and Andersen so that should explain things. So it takes around a late 3rd or a 4th to move up from the 10th to the 8th pick in most cases?
Theoretically Icehouse is correct. 100 point difference between the 8th and 10th + the value of 2 2nd round picks (lets say at about 450 each for arguments sake) =1,000 points.
Based on the chart, the sum of the picks - the pick we acquired = a mid-first rounder. So essentially, we traded a mid-1st for Schaub. To me, I'm still unsure whether we got good value out of the trade. It does put things in perspective though.
Okay, I hear you. Carr is an average QB at best. Between him and Sage Rosenfels, though, you have 2 guys that can step out there. QB just wasn't a pressing need here. Without an O-line or running game, it doesn't matter who you trot out there. They will get destroyed.
I have seen him play, and given his lack of mobility he could be in for a world of hurt playing behind Chester Pitts, Fred Weary, and co.
So you're going with the strategy of building a team assuming that the O-Line and running game will just continue to suck forever?
I just like how everyone has this guy penciled in as the starter next year. The guy is going to be learning a new system and only has two starts in 3 years. It is just going to suck when Sage beats him out this year for the starter spot since he already knows the system. 2 2nds for a possible back up. But I really do hope it all works out because I will be at the games rooting for whoever is starting.
Well the Texans' o-line has sucked for the last 5 years, and I see no signs of them trying to right the ship. The running game was decent for a couple of seasons behind Domanick Davis. There just seems to be a lack of commitment to either of those areas, as well as the secondary where they're trotting out bums like CC Brown and Demarcus Faggins.
Carr is totaled. He has a severe case of shell shock. He runs, because he hears footsteps. The line is not that bad. I can't tell you how many times I screamed at Carr to step forward to throw instead of take the sack or take off running. Capers ruined Carr for us. I hope he clears his head and gets a fresh start in Oakland. He wasn't always this bad.
Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports No QB competition...seems like the contract states that he will be the starting QB in 2007. The Atlanta Falcons showed some faith in quarterback Michael Vick while the last vestiges of any hope for David Carr with the Houston Texans seemed to end Wednesday. The Falcons traded backup quarterback Matt Schaub to Houston for two second-round picks and an exchange of first-round picks in next month's NFL draft. The trade, initially reported by NFL.com, was confirmed by Schaub's agent, Joby Branion. Schaub had been considered a possible alternative for the Falcons if Vick flops this season under new coach Bobby Petrino. However, Schaub was set to be an unrestricted free agent after the 2007 season, which would have become an obstacle in the Falcons keeping him long term. As part of the trade, Schaub got a new contract from Houston. He boarded a plane for Houston early in the afternoon and will take a physical when he arrives. In exchange for Schaub, the Falcons received Houston’s second-round pick this year (the No. 39 overall) and in 2008. The Falcons also moved up from the No. 10 overall pick to No. 8 overall in the switch of first-rounders. Branion declined to give specifics on the contract other than to say, "it's a real deal." By that, Branion implied that the contract indicates that Schaub will be the starter. Carr, who was the No. 1 overall pick in 2002, continued to have middling to poor results last season. Subsequently, Carr is expected to be traded or released. In five years as the starter, Carr completed 60 percent of his passes for 13,391 yards, 59 touchdown passes and 65 interceptions. The Texans had hoped that Carr would progress under new coach Gary Kubiak. As for Schaub, he was a third-round pick in 2004 who showed promise in limited action. He has completed 84 of 161 passes (52.2 percent) for 1,033 yards, six touchdowns and six interceptions. Over the past two years under former coach Jim Mora Jr., there was increasing discussion of playing Schaub over Vick, although the discussion never became particularly serious. Since taking over the Falcons, Petrino has expressed reserved support for Vick, saying only that he expected Vick to take a stronger role in the calling of plays. Vick has complained over the past two years that he has not been allowed to audible. With the trade, the Oakland Raiders and Miami Dolphins are the only teams considered to have "open" quarterbacking jobs. The Raiders are debating whether to take JaMarcus Russell of LSU with the No. 1 overall pick. The Dolphins have had discussions with Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Trent Green about a trade and have worked on trying to move up in the first round with an eye on Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn
The Falcons ran a version of the West Coast Offense when Mora Jr. was coaching. I'm pretty sure Kubiak has had some experience with West Coast offense when he was the QB coach for the 49ers.
His learning curve shouldn't be nearly as steep as Carr's because he played within the West Coast Offense system both in college and professionally. The terminologies will definitely change, but he is probably familiar with the reads.
but we KNOW Carr sucks here. regardless who is at fault (his line or his head), he is a bad quarterback while wearing a Texans uniform
i can assure you that schaub will be the starter next year. i'd be shocked if he weren't. this isn't another sage rosenfels.
Well, if you start with this premise, why not just fold the whole franchise? I mean, you've already decided the franchise is never going to improve, so why even bother? Does getting Ahman Green not suggest some type of improvement to the running game?
http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2007/03/david_carr_out_matt_schaub_in_1.html David Carr out, Matt Schaub in ... time to celebrate? (An entry from my sick bed. Now that's dedication.) A few weeks ago we told you to calm down and many of you failed to take the advice. Now, Texans fans, you can officially (well almost) put your hatred of David Carr aside and move on with Matt Schaub. The Falcons' backup will be the Texans' starting QB in 2007. I have to say, I've listed Schaub as a guy that would be solid-to-good in a Texans uniform for some time. And I wrote that the Falcons would trade him rather than lose him for nothing in free agency after this season. Well, now that it's almost done, I have to applaud the Texans' brass for another sweet move. Solid-to-good is much better than they had at quarterback the last five years and the good news is Gary Kubiak recognized that and has done something about it. Had he been able to see it on film (or, more accurately, brash enough to say it in his job interview), he might have had a better first season as a head coach. But let's give him credit for pulling the ripcord before a hard crash landing. The only time I saw Schaub play, he looked like Tom Brady. Subbing for Michael Vick, he threw for nearly 300 yards and three touchdowns against the Patriots in 2005. Often, guys who sit on the bench but look good in reserve situations are just that - guys who look good in reserve situations. Whatever Schaub develops into, Texans fans and players now have hope at quarterback, with the possibility of one day soon having faith in their quarterback. That makes the move worthwhile in itself. What do you think? ... And that's all the strength I can muster ...
I really liked what the Jets did last year -> solidified their O-line with DBrickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold. Why can't the Texans do the same?
