Matt Bullard "You Gotta Stop Calling Those Flops... You guys are terrible"

he did sort of call out Scola on his flopping too so I think he wasn't being a homer, but just showing his disgust for all flopping in general.

 

that was awesome.

 

The problems is the refs are so bad they don't call it without the over selling of the foul and they fall for the flop nearly every time.

 

Exactly. This tells the players to brush up on their actings skills. Why would they want it that way when it was easier to spot fouls without the acting? So they can make it seem harder then it is to call the game. It all comes down to money.

 

As others have said:

1. It doesn't get called otherwise.
2. It's not fair to the defensive player to have offensive players jumping into their defenders and drawing fouls even though they initiated contact.
3. In the wake of such a reality, where offensive fouls are not called except when the defender falls, and where offensive players FREQUENTLY initiate the contact in order to go to the line (this must happen 10x more than charging honestly) then the only logical recourse for the defender is to do what he can to draw the foul, i.e. fall over.
4. You've got people that draw legitimate charges like Battier and Hayes, and then you have "floppers" of a different nature entirely. These are the ones from soccer, who fling themselves through the air in plain eyesight of the ref, and sometimes even feign an injury for a minute or two to draw sympathy. Paul Pierce in the finals ring a bell?

If anything Battier and Hayes are two of the more honorable guys in the NBA in how they conduct themselves on the defensive end. Unlike your floppers they don't embellish the fact that they are intentionally trying to draw the offensive foul by showing how based on the rules in the book it is a legit foul for an offensive guy to be drawing contact with them by getting in their space. And more importantly, unlike the other players in the NBA who never get caught up in such controversies, THEY ACTUALLY PLAY DEFENSE. I think that might be where you get hung up on those players.

 

The NBA really needs to get a handle on this. It's way worse than the hand checking rule change of years back.

My suggestionss:

#1 A player falls down to induce and call and the ref doesn't call it - He thinks it's a flop. This becomes a technical foul for embellishing. It's also a technical even when there is an offensive foul if the player oversells it.

#2 Like baseball's the tie goes to the runner, the assumption for close calls automatically becomes a block. So unless the ref immediately believes it's a clear charge - like the Bayless sideways jump, then it's a block.

#3 To offset these changes, less fouls called when players challenge in the air. When a move is made solely to induce a call, it becomes a no call.

Mr. Stern feel free to try these without charge next preseason.

 

Battier had a great flop against Roy. As colormen and players: Clyde>Bullard

 

Nothing Beats Baron Davis's flop against Okur after the bogus AK47 FTs that were the result of a flop. That should tell you all you really need to know about the flopping problem in the NBA.

 

Did he get fined?

 

Not likely.

 

I dont really view Shane as a flopper. To me a flopper creates a foul out of nothing, Shane tends to get himself in the the right spot, the other player bowls into him and he just highlights to the refs that this is not a legal play.

Scola tries to create fouls out of nothing. He imbelishes contact on low post plays making it appear incedental contact is more powerful than it appears. I dont really care for him taking to this extent.

Then there are guys like Maggette, Pryzbilla, the Jazz who do it every play, and it is just awful.

 

Bayless actually makes me sick.

Must be the combination of his face and the flopping.

 

I don't know what team your watching then because there are times when Shane Battier does nothing but flop. So does Scola and Lowry who you didn't mention. Plus its natural for Scola to flop considering everyone who plays overseas flop.

 

I like this comment. Bullard needs to be assigned to explaining the Rocket plays during timeouts and that's it.

 

Shane is a charge taker who can flop on rare occasion. And they are usually while trying to take a charge and the offensive guy has been able to avoid contact. Though I think if Shane stops flopping it doesn't make him any less effective. Lowry's offensive flops are really more of just out of control running into the other guy who is out of position. The picks Lowry flops on mentioned above I dont recall seeing much so I dont think we would notice if it didnt happen any more. Scola is the real flopper, and Bullard most definately calls him on it as well. I think he gives Hayes/Battier/Lowry more benefit of the doubt because they take legit charges. He also gives Lowry a bit of the business when he intitates the contact on the break against a player who is out of position. He reiterates that its technically a foul on the defender, but shouldn't be called as often as it is.

 

Trust me I watch every play very closely. Im fine with what Battier does, Scola takes it too far. I can never really tell with Lowry because he is so small.

 

i have to agree. pretty fun to think bill worrell used to announce games where bullard was a rocket. a lot of history with that bunch.

 

Charge = Standing still in the correct spot, falling over when a player runs into you regardless of contact = Good job

Flop = NOT standing still in the correct spots, falling over like a drama *** with minimal contact, throwing head back , waving your arms in the air = AK 47 = Disgusting worm

 

"As others have said". Are you trying to correct my opinion or what?

I stand by what I said. Guys shouldn't be pus*ies and fall over in a slight breeze. If the refs don't call it, so be it. If both sides manned up it would be even. It's a shame that reffing has ruined the game to the point where you have to leap, flail arms, yell, and writhe on the ground in order to win a game. Disgusting.

 

I hate the whole flopping thing especially in college. I wish they would move the circle out more and penalize guys hitting the ground. It really becomes a health issue with guys falling under other guys feet. I'm telling you, the international guys flop like women and it has spread like wildfire. Stand your ground like a man or block the shot. Even the biggest man in the league used to try to draw charges.