Fatty, you got it wrong about the survivor. The slaughter which they refer to was the preemptive attack by 5-6 ships at an area that they thought would slow down or stop the sentinels. The survivor OF THE FOILED ATTACK is Agent Smith, who obviously triggered the EMP from within the ship, killing the attack and leading to the massacre of the ships. Zion has not been touched....there are 24 hours left until the sentinels get there. Dada, I dig the symbolism of the Judas stuff, nice pickup. The W Bros are all about literary, mythological, and religious symbolism...like the fact that the main character, who doubts his place in the universe, is named Thomas after "Doubting Thomas"......but I seriously doubt they are making any direct Christian messages here. I think its a hodgepodge of dogma, philosophies, and mythos.
I like this theory but the Animatrix shorts seem to rule this possibility out. *SPOILERS* Animatrix shows that machines become conscious of their second class status to the humans. They retreat to the Middle East to form their own society (01), and dominate the global marketplace with their superior goods. The machines wish to gain UN recognition. Humans become fearful and attempt to destroy 01. Machines retaliate, kick human butt, and enslave man. *END SPOILERS* However, I agree that the true purpose of the Matrix should be the big twist in Revolutions. The Matrix is just too complicated to be a system for merely keeping the minds of humans occupied while the machines draw power from the bodies. I like the idea that the Matrix is a huge hamster cage for the humans to run around in while the machines study them to understand what it takes to take their AI to the next level.
Here are some more interesting facts I happened upon... Spoon boy is dressed like a Monk Neo's room number is 101 in Matrix. That equals 5 in binary. Choi to Neo: You are my savior man, my own personal Jesus Christ. I forget which language, but strangely, Mr. Ander/son means the Son of Man. As in Buddhism, Neo has already had five different lives begining with Thomas Anderson (ironically the same name as Mr. Anderson). He has been reincarnated on several occasions and seemingly, each time, he has gained a greater awareness of his world. Guns, lot's of guns. These type of images in the matrix are completely opposite of all religious teachings. But oddly, has anyone really been killed by a human. Not yet. As some pointed out. The monitor rooms appear in both movies. And in both sequences the monitors completely morph. Suggesting quite possibly that Neo has not found reality. The two matrix concept. White areas could be interpreted multiple ways. Heaven. A precurson to an illusion. or reality. It's hard to figure the white areas out at this point. But they definately have meaning.
My conclusions at this point are now the following: The opeining of the Matrix states clearly: Wake up. This is the whole point of the film. And I am begining to believe that the message of the directors is not about any one religion. In fact, I think they have infused all of them for a purpose. I think they are trying to say that everyone should be aware that there is the possibility of other realities beyond that which we percieve. Now that may sound like, duh, of course, but I think that is it. This is about religion. It's about all religions. The question I have now is how will the movie end. Unfortunately I think you all are going to be left wanting some kind of conclusion, but given the theme you aren't going to get it. If indeed that is the message of the movie, it will no doubt end with exactly the same message it began with. Leaving you wondering what is real and what is not. Wondering again what are the boundaries of life. It will end as it began, with Wake up.
Yeah, I hope they don't also. It would kind of make the first 2 episodes kind of pointless. All of this stuff, from Neo waking up, Morpehus finding him, and all the people getting saved in Zion- it would all be pointless since they are still in the same place as the beginning, not even realizing they are in the Matrix.
I was thinking I think the machines are trying to figure out the way for humans and machines to work in harmony . .. more like an integration I think you have a human . . . communicating with machines and a machine . . in the mind of a human If this turns out to be some high tech retellin of the christ story It will disappoint me badly. . .. I think the points the Old counselor and the Oracle were making were integration Rocket River it was m,uch clearer this morning
I'm not quite sure I understand the question. Niobe's second in command (Ghost?) said that they flew by the wreckage of the failed attack and found only one survivor. The foiled attack occured at some point between the time that the crews of the three ships plugged into the Matrix to make their assault on the two power plants and the Source building. After Niobe and company blew the crap outta the power plant, they found the nearest hardline and unplugged. At that point they prob jetted around (I believe that the Lagos is the smallest and fastest ship in the fleet), saw the carnage (odds are good that the Sentinels kept on digging and left Smith AKA Bane behind), grabbed the comotose Bane, and then headed towards the Nebbacaneezer. Thats a lot of distance to cover, but I guess thats why they mention "smallest and fastest ship" when referring to the Lagos.
Who didn't make it out of the matrix at the end. The guys who were supposed to cut off the back up power or something. Who were they?
It was the guy who first stood up and said, "I will answer the council's call." He and his crew. It was their job to disable the backup power routers, and they were killed just before finishing that job.
Then the other question I have is, if they didn't cut off the back up power, wasn't Neo's mission going to fail anyway, even though the Architect said he had a choice. If Neo chose to save Zion, would those guys have succeeded in shutting off the back up power. I really was confused from that point on.
I'm not sure what you are asking, exactly. They were supposed to shut off the backup power so the building wouldn't explode when Neo first entered it from the backdoor hallway, with the Keymaker. It would have failed, had Trinity not gotten there fast enough and shutdown the backup power, just before the Keymaker opened the door.
Okay, that's right, I'm thinking it had to do with something else, forget I asked, that clears up a lot of things for me.
What do Ghostbusters and Reloaded have in common? I don't know, but it's NOT a character named Keymaster! Ghostbusters = Keymaster Reloaded = Keymaker
Anyone? I was referring to the ship that you all are talking about, the Hammer. I apologize for being stupid; but even after watching the movie twice, I don't understand how the Hammer was the only ship to make it out of Zion.
Three ships didn't participate in the battle. Neo's, and the two that went to look for Neo's. The other ships that stayed were destroyed. The crew of one ship was killed in the Matrix, the guys shutting down the back up power to the building, leaving two ships.
