I like this interpretation the most. Further, the Oracle clearly supports Neo. If it wasn't for the Oracle, Neo wouldn't have realized at the end that "it is all about choice." Remember, the Oracle kept drilling into his head stuff about choice, and that's the reason he chose the other door. The Oracle is probably about to get deleted (remember how the Architect looked mad when Neo mentioned her). So now she is trying to save herself and the humans. She also may have loftier goals. Also, the machines do NOT want to destroy the humans! They will be screwed if they do!! This goes back to the conversation Neo had with the old white dude in Zion. If the controllers destroy the energy source, then they will be forced to find another energy source at great risk and cost. Many machines would die. The machines are not really in control! Like Morpheus said, "they are desperate"...they wanted Neo to choose the other door... The machines are rebelling. Look at the keymaker, the Oracle, and Agent Smith, who are no longer supporting the Matrix and want freedom. Although the architect has been able to control these problems and Neo the "anomaly," it isn't easy. We all have used Windows, we know it can crash at any point, especially if it had free will! The post about all this being about computer software is good, but it is clear that this movie is about humans and free will. This is an analogy to the real human state. We are all "biological computers" aren't we?
Good post, I agree with this. It's not necessarliy about any religion, but it is about free will, faith, truth, love, etc. It is exploring human nature. Like I said in my other post, we are biological computers anyways, so it makes no difference if the Matrix created them, there is still room for truth and God. Why did you change your mind?
A few things. Firstly, I don't know that the Oracle necessarily supported Neo as much as she wanted him to reinsert himself back into the code. Everything she told him and helped him with was aimed at that goal, one that, if you remember, never happened. Maybe he was supposed to go into the Source, maybe not. I am with the others in here that believe the Architect was lying to Neo about certain things. I think he really did want Neo to go out the non-Source door...mainly because at that point Neo didn't even know that Trinity was in trouble, and had the Architect not told him he would have probably gone into the Source (or at least it would have been more likely). Even the stupidest of computer programs in the matrix would likely understand that telling about Trinity would only urge him to not go back to the Source. But at any rate, it seems to me that what the Oracle was trying to get Neo to do, he did not. Whether or not her motives were pure or not is very much debatable at this point. She certainly seemed nice enough, but keep in mind that she is a program, and if the humans attain their lofty goal of freeing all the humans and shutting down the matrix, she will die. She has no where to go. I will be very interested to see her agenda hashed out in this next movie. This was one of the most interesting things to me. The fact that the Architect said, "There are levels of existence we are prepared to accept." What does that mean? Do they have a big backup charged battery somewhere that can sustain them for centuries if they shut down all non-essential systems (ie. all of the Matrix and sentinels) or have they found a separate energy source that can almost sustain them? I want to know what he was talking about here. This I don't understand. The matrix is what sustains the machines. So how could the keymaker, the Oracle, or even Agent Smith really want it to be shut down? Outside of the the matrix, they don't really exist, since they were written specifically to run in that environment? It just seems to go against the very machine-like philosophy of survival at all costs. That a bunch of programs would suddenly decide to forgo their existence so a bunch of humans that they won't even see can begin living in the real world, where everything is much ****tier. Like I say, I have a feeling that the Oracle, Architect, and Agent Smith(s) all have very different agendas...but I can't seem to work out what they would all be. I really like the suggestion someone else made (I believe Pued) that the matrix is a HUMAN creation, made because HUMANS screwed up the earth and needed a place to sustain them until the earth naturally heals itself. I would absolutely love that little twist. Really, I would love just about any answer except the dual matrix one. I think that would just rub me the wrong way.
It was not a blast. Look at how the squiddie flies. If told to STOP [which i suspect NEO told it .] . . an abrupt stop would look similar to what happened. . .no forcefield but more of an order to STOP NOW!! The order came with such force he overloaded the reletively simply machines. Notice the machines in the real world do not have near the sofistication of the programs in the matrix I think one thing to understand is. . . information is suspect The Humans could be passing down lies for generations the Machines could be using misdirection Rocket River
Think about it. It is the Machine's plan that is working out with the ZION IDEAL. It serves the purpose of the machines. . . why would they NOT helpin rebuilding? I mean, the humans have matrix tech . . . in the matrix world where would they learn that? The MACHINES designed and created the matrix . . .so the humans had to have STOLE or been given some of the technology. ALSO The Couselor COULD be 111 yrs old [he spent his 1st 11 years in the matrix] REMEMBER NEO IS VERY OLD for the perspective ONEs. They usually a child. Rocket River I think difference is NEO's maturity
It is a matrix inside a matrix. The machines know that 1% of the people reject the matrix, so they give them the illusion that they have escaped. In reality they are all still plugged in, but Neo is going to break it all down. Also there is a reference to the Bloodline of Christ...of which Neo may be a direct descendant. And if you watch when they met the french dude, they were like the holy trinity with Neo, Trinity, and Mobeus, not to mention that the French guy was at the table like the last supper and his wife was sitting in the JUDAS chair. I think the 2nd movie was crap, but am hoping the 3rd clears up the mess the 2nd created. DD
I won't say it was crap but i do like the 1st one better If Neo is from the bloodline of Christ. . i will be totally disappointed Not that I'm anti Religious .. but it would be . . . .typical and generic Rocket River
One more point about Neo being of the Bloodline of Christ is that he brings Trinity back to life. Neo gets resurrected. Neo is Christ and will lead the people to true freedom. At least that is how I see it. Still think it was crap...too much action, too little story.... DD PS River, did you see my edit in the previous post about the French guy and the last supper reference, his wife was sitting in the Judas position....
Merovingian also references the Knights Templar whom theories have as protecting the bloodline of Christ. Neo is a descendant of Christ...I am pretty sure of it.... DD
I see what you're saying, but I'm not quite on board with that. That just doesn't make sense to me, for a few reasons. First - how do the machines help the people rebuild without the people knowing it? How do the people not get suspicious of a set-up, if they all of a sudden find technology massively more advanced, that's precisely what they need to survive, and be able to infiltrate the matrix. That seems too convenient for me, and if I were a person waking up to find my entire life had been lived in a lie, I think I would be far more suspicious. Yeah, that would be delightfully clever. My theory goes like this. The war wasn't between human and robot, it was between human and human, and we burned the earth to cinders. Realizing that we had no ability to live, the surviving humans contructed the matrix to allow their minds to survive while the earth took millennia to heal. These minds would have existed in the program, ignorant of the scorching of the earth, living in perfect bliss - in theory - and the human race would've repopulated itself - even perhaps grown in population, until the earth was ready for human re-habitation. I'm not clear on what happens next, but the Zionists are really just mucking it up for everyone - their attempts to bring down the matrix will only result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of humans, not only in the struggle to free them, but in the resulting confusion, and overwhelming of their resources. So the machines remain, faithfully defending the matrix - until the earth is ready for repopulation. NB - I don't believe that five previous neo's ever existed, I still maintain that's an enormous lie to get neo out of the source, where he could've done great damage to the matrix.
Pued: won't debate now, but... The Merovingian stated specifically that the previous five hadn't stopped him, and neither will you! I believe, personally, that Frenchy is the first Neo, or the same amalgam. Soooo much more to discuss. I've seen it twice now, and I can guarantee the inner/outer Matrix is not a possibility. Bah!
If the previous five hadn't stopped him, how could he be one of them? Care to explain why you can guarantee the inner/outter matrix isn't a possibility?
Ok... the outer Matrix is not a possibility, because, according to the architect, all other's made the "right" choice. When Neo chose differently, he sealed the human's fate. (which was why, at the very end, you have Neo in a Coma, with THE ONLY SURVIVOR THEY FOUND lying next to him) Yup, I missed this in the first showing, also. They basically say, while Neo is in the coma, that someone EMP'd the real world, and made every ship defenseless during the machine attack. Matrix people: did we win? Zion people: It was an absolute slaughter. Matrix people: What happened? Zion people: someone within our ranks EMP'd our ships. How many survivor's? Zion: We found just one, and he better let us know what the hell happened! (Flash to the Agent Smith real guy complete with "evil" goatee. Again, there IS a real world, although I'm not sure Zion is it.....yet.
Gotcha. Another thing I didn't understand was how that one ship and only that ship made it out. Did anyone understand how that ship survived?
As for the merovingian.... think about it. He has this "higher than thou" approach to someone who he specifically calls "the one". And, if you recall, there were "six" recreations. Only Frenchy says five. Thirdly: Persephone wants to kiss Neo to "remember" what it was like back then." Again, she shares that love like that is not supposed to last..
ok i just watched it for the 2nd time tonight and i started thinking the architect was BS'ing his whole speech too and that five previous neo's never existed. anything frenchy or anyone else does to contradict this could just all be the architect and the system confusing him/us into thinking this. it's not like he has to be truthful. one problem with this explanation is that i thought of it, which almost certainly makes it wrong. sorry pued, but when trying to explain a movie, you came to the same conclusion that i did, so you'll probably be wrong too. if he really wanted neo to choose the source door, would he have shown him trinity. only hubris (a sort of i can make you do as i please even after having shown you this kind of gesture) could explain that. and why mess around with that if the successful survival of your creation (i.e. not going to levels of survival your prepared to live with) depends on it. religious/biblical allusions abound. didn't know that's where merovingian came from. but obviously The One returning again, having the power to save people from death, prophesies, names like trinity and merovingian, destroying the earth and picking new survivors, etc. love to see how it all plays out. i wanna know what the hell is agent smith gonna do. his motives i don't get (not surprising). also, if he's so outdated (i.e. they've now upgraded), how can he contend with neo, even with millions of him as there appear to be on the highway scene in the Revolutions trailer? man man man i wanna see the third one. hell i wanna see the 2nd one for a third time. there wasn't the same thrill watching it the second time (how can there be only 4 days later and knowing everything that's going to happen), but it certainly was less confusing thanks to this thread, and it certainly piqued my interest in what's gonna happen (outside of badass fight scenes) in Revolutions even more.
No, there are 6 iterations of the anomaly cycle, meaning that Neo is the 6th, and there have been 5 previous Ones. One thing that doesn't make sense to me concerning the inner/outer matrix is that, inside the inner matrix, Neo can do all kinds of things to change code and alter things and it doesn't seem to bother him at all. But in the outer matrix, if he makes a change it suddenly sends him into a coma? Doesn't seem consistent to me. Also, like someone else said, in the inner matrix, Neo can simply "see" the code as he looks around. But he has never been able to do this in the outer matrix. I suppose it is possible that the Wachowski brothers go with the duel matrix theory...but I really hope they don't. Nice theory on the bloodline of Christ thing, Dada. It makes sense, even though the Wachowski brothers are Buddhists (or so I heard).
Although I know next to nothing about buddhism, there isn't much correlation that I can find. but there is some. It seems that in Buddhism the end result would be that the machines need to work with humans because everything is and should be connected/interrelated. There is a point in the movie that very clearly adresses this exact point. Buddhism also adresses the fact that there is path. A path that one should walk. The path is known to be 8 steps. And obviously knowing the path and walking it are two different things. Those are the two biggest connections I could find, but they are also very general. They could apply to anything. I haven't noticed anything specific about buddhism in the movie that I can put my fingers on just yet. But I'm not a buddhist. So it seems unlikely at this point that there is a connection to that religion. They have a trinity in Buddhism, but it doesn't seem to relate in any way to the movie. At least not as much as the Christian trinity does.
