Yall's eyes are too sharp. I remembered the scene where the guy got rushed out of Merovingians dining room, but it was so quick i didn't remember that Neo looked at him kinda funny, like he remembered him. Since Neo could seemingly see the future, he could maybe see past events too. Perhaps he was seeing a past "One" get escorted away, failing to locate the Key Maker. Also, the girl kinda reminded me of Jaime Pressly. I'm gonna rewatch the first Matrix and see if she is indeed the Lady in Red.
In anything, I think Overrated is wrong, this movie is about humans. It's not Tron. It's more like Farenheit 451 and Orwell's 1984. It's the same theme the movie itself has repeated all along. No way they stray from that. Great literature never does. Human Emotion is more important than any system or matrix. It's the unpredictability of emotions that make life worth living. I don't buy into the two matrix or computer concepts. Although the theories make sense with the plot. Movies are indeed about humans. As for a prediction about the ending. I think it's as simple as Neo is beginning to realize there is a higher power than the architect. Their is a higher power than this system we all get stuck in. And that if you believe in it. And forget the system. Everything will turn out as you had hoped. If you believe. As Morpheus does. If anything, this will probably come back to being a movie about God. Nobody wants to hear that. And the movie will never express that, but I'm quite sure it is. What words do you hear repeated over and over gain. Truth Believe Love The One Choice Now take each name of the main characters and apply it. New - Neo Change - Morpheus One God in Three Persons, Truth, Life, Love. - Trinity All words describing things people do when they give their life to God. Same theme that people have gathered around in Star Wars. It's a classic theme that endurs. We have gathered around it again. And it makes you wonder. Why is that? It's a simple story. What makes me laugh is that most of you are so caught up in the computer stuff that you are failing to see the point of movie. Which is exactly why they made it. And at the end. Those of you who still don't get it will be stuck in the Matrix. Those of you who see the light will begin to make the right choices.
Just got back from viewing the movie again, and I had a bit of a thought that crossed my mind towards the end. Anyone else think the Counsel might not exactly be "on the level?" First of all, the counselor that had the biggest speaking role in the movie was creepy as hell to me. The guy just looked like a dude with evil intentions to me. I don't trust him... Secondly, Neo made the comment that there were no young people on the counsel. Thirdly, the counsel sent out the 2 extra ships to help out Morpheus. Later on, Morpheus said that it was fate that brought the 3 groups together that needed to perform the three tasks. Fourthly, the architect mentioned that the previous versions of neo selected a group of 23 survivors. Did anyone catch how many people were on the counsel? I haven't refined my theory, but I wouldn't be shocked if the counsel could possibly be part of the program to direct Neo to the architect. Those members on the counsel are all pretty old and if I remember correctly, they were mostly female (like the architect ordered). Maybe this theory is brought on by my disliking of the Main Counsel Dude, but this idea just came to me when Morpheus gave his final "This is worth dying for/Fate brought the 3 ships together" speech. I don't necessarily believe this concept, I'd need to see the movie again to really pay attention to the Counsel members. Just something to pay attention to when you're watching the movie... Any thoughts? I don't know if I like the Matrix within a Matrix idea, I don't see it being pulled together like that in a mere 24 hours. It's just too complicated to spend 1 3/4 movies with one idea, and then throwing a curveball in the final 24 hours...
It just dawned on me as well. That most of the monitors in the architects room were expressing some kind of emotion. Neo giving the finger and what not. Yet, Neo remained quite calm. It's also quite interesting that Neo, Trinity, and morpheus all exude similar traits of calmness. Not sure what that means. But if it means they have found God. They have perhaps found a peace within themselves. What I didn't get about that scene was that the room itself appeared quite bright. Which actually lends itself more to the computer theory. Because all other rooms that were quite bright and calm were good places. The Hallway. The control tower at Zion. So That's one thing that does not jive with my resolution above. But no matter, I still have faith that is about a higher power that we must believe in.
BGM, I had that same thought. Particularly when the counselor took him to the engineering level...and talked about man's dependence on the machines. PhiSlamma, I think you're a little off with your theory. It's not quite as specific as that. It's primarily about belief, faith and hope. Those are the core of *any* religion. The movie is making the point that those are basic traits of humans...no matter how (or where) they are directed.
Good points BGM. I think that enlightened me a lot. I now believe the architect is god. After speaking with him. Neo felt a greater connection to the world. This does not surpise me now. The counsel is sending Neo to his death. Just as Jesus was sentenced to his death. Neo spoke to the architect about choices. Just as Jesus spoke to God about his choice. Neo knows his fate now. As did Jesus. Neo is in a coma. Jesus Died. Neo will rise again. This explain every question I had about the architect. I am not even firmer in my belief that this is about god.
Rokkit. I see your point. But I think the movie does that on purpose. If it was about God nobody would watch it. Me included. We'll have to wait and see. I can't quite remember the architects speech. Does he say anything that would be considered completely evil. Or is he strictly saying that Neo has a choice. It was so long I got lost in it. p.s.: no sarcasm here. This is what I think. Although I'm quite good at sarcasm.
Ah, I get you. I thought maybe sarcasm was kicking in because you got pretty indepth. My mistake, sorry. I was just saying that it points to those main aspects of humanity...because I'm thinking of the creators of the story. If I understand correctly, its two brothers who grew up on comics, cartoons and sci fi. The traits that come through - faith, belief, hope - are also heavily found in this medium. Humanity, and its practices, are almost always the core of this type of fiction. Heck, even the last No. 1 movie did this - X2. There you have about our fear of what we do not understand - and our ability to descriminate those we do not understand, or who are different from us, or who see things differently than we do. Its not so much about religion. Its about the tenants of humanity that are prevalent in everything, including religion. And the brothers have also stated that when they first wrote the Matrix, they were making a Superhero movie. IT grew from there. Obviously, they kept up what they wanted to do though. Watching Neo do his 'Superman' thing was very cool.
That is interesting. I didn't realize they wrote comics. That does lend some background to the writing style. I doubt religion would become part of this movie now. Those characters tend to concern themselves with one primary issue. Like X-men does with tolerance. My mind may have wandered to far on this. but I'm not alone
They don't write comics (yet), but are fans and is one thing they grew up on. That's why I point to their motivation. They wanted a superhero movie (they actually wrote the matrix idea when they were younger), but it grew from there. Still, you can see how Neo is something of a 'superhero' now. I wasn't saying you were wrong, necessarily. Sorry if I came across that way. I'm just saying that the movie revolves around basic ideals - such ideals that are an important part of humanity, including religion. I just think they are looking at a very broad canvas.
well there is the whole God destroying the earth thing and picking new survivors to lead the world like with Noah. of course i think you can find tons of things in anything and get them to have some connection to the Bible b/c there's just so much in the Bible and so much archetypal stuff that is found in many things.
PhiSlammaJamma needs to stop talking about God and the matrix. No hardcore matrix fan would want something as silly as God controlling both the machines and the humans. That would be just too "easy" of an ending for the matrix producers
Just saw it, movie is sweet, i watched the first one yesterday cuz i hadnt seen all of it, and i think the lobby scene in the first was better then any scene in the 2nd one, maybe that will change in the 3rd? Hopefully!
Got back from the late showing; longer than I anticipated!!! (which sux since I gotta wake up early tmmrw and head to ATL) Weak storyline, although VERY creative. The graphics and action were fantastic. I was thinking, thouugh, that it ended just like Empire Strikes Back; Luke was in a coma, Neo is in a coma. It was typical that it would take a lot from other sequels, though.
I wanted to see Roy Jones knock out a few agents or beat up somebody. I guess I'll just have to wait for the next movie.
I kinda disagree with those who believe the trilogy is about one particular religion. There are elements from pretty much every religion in the film. I noticed it makes many references to Buddhist teachings, especially in the first one. "It is not the spoon that bends, but yourself." And the whole idea of the world around you being an illusion is also a prominent idea in Buddhism. I also disagree with the Architect=God theory. If anything, Neo would be the main Deity, with his ability to see past the illusion of the Matrix, superhuman abilities, and status as savior of humanity. You know a movie is badass when it warrants this much discussion.
I'm not so sure if Merovingian's character was the old version of Neo. There where many statements that led to his introduction that would have you believe that he possibly could be the older version of Neo. 1) He is software that has been banished for being obsolete. 2) His wife wanted to kiss Neo to remember what it was like. She also said Neo reminded her of what Merovingian used to be. However, why did Merovingian say that he was an old information gathering system? Why did he tell Neo that he has survived his predecessors and he will survive him?
Just got back from see it.I didn't read the other posts yet so please excuse me if this question has already been asked: CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN THE MOVIE?!!! I'm sorry but I was very disappointed,I expected much better.I guess die hard fans of Matrix don't mind but I thought it was way too complicated.Plus there was too much action. For example the scene where he fights all the Smiths agents,how long was it?!!Also very frustating: he hits one,ten other come back. One thing I noticed was that up to the 5 last minutes the story is heavely based on predetermintion(ur futur is already planed). And the end,WTF?!it ended like a episod of "Days of our lives"(he's in the coma,OMG!and the guy next to him is evil,OMG!Find out in tomorow's episode about Trinity marriage with Morpheus's evil twin,plus is Neo the father of links child?!) I loved the rave the scene though,was very intense. The Merovigian guy was funny also.I have one question btw,why do guys in US movies always have to be foreigners?!U can't tell me there's no evil,world dominating-wanabees in America!Ever heard of the American dream?! Anyways,all though I'm didn't really hook with the movie,I'll still be waiting for the 3rd one impatiently(I gotta know who the father of that damn child!).When does it come out btw?October?November? I'm no Movie expert,but i feal they could have done much better given the budget. ALA
