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[Marvel Movie] Captain America 4: Brave New World

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  1. Invisible Fan

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    It means he has to work twice as hard.
     
  2. droxford

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    Nope. It's not about work.

    In the first Captain America, Steve Rogers (prior to augmentation) had a great heart and great will, but was skinny and weak. Having a great heart wasn't enough. Using the augmentation, he ended up with super powers AND a great heart.

    With Sam Wilson (aka Falcon), one punch from Thanos, and he's dead (unlike Steve Rogers). Doesn't run faster than a normal human. Doesn't heal faster than a human. Doesn't have super reflexes. Doesn't have super immune system. No matter how much he hits the gym, he'll never have super strength. Etc.

    Can he be a super hero? Sure. He does well as Falcon. But he can't be Captain America without super powers.

    Sorry. Doesn't sell with me.
     
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  3. Rocket River

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    Sam has Wakadan Tech to supplement his physical abilities
    He still have even have some Stark Tech

    Cap America never had "super" powers. He is just PEAK HUMAN
    Sam may not be able to get to PEAK but he can get pretty good

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    This is absolutely false.

    Re-watch the movies. In the first movie, right after augmentation, he jumps higher and longer than is humanly possible. He runs faster than is humanly possible. He can't get drunk because his metabolism is super human and burns off the alcohol too fast. In Winter Soldier we see him recover from gunshots faster than a normal human and run faster than cars. His super human strength holds back a helicopter. In Civil War we saw him fall several stories to a concrete floor, then get up and walk away. In Avengers movies we've seen him throw a motorcycle and stand up to Thanos in a fist fight. That's not "peak human" strength - it's super human strength.
     
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    Spider-Man is super human
    Captain America is just peak
    That fall - the shield absorbed all the shock (Vibranium)
    Capt can take a punch . .but he knows how to roll with them

    Of course the movie Exagerates but the general idea is he is Peak Human
    I think Strange/Wanda or Starlord took a Thanos hit

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  6. Invisible Fan

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    I was half-serious

    I also have issues with Sam not juicing with powers. I guess he took a bootcamp at Hawkeye's accuracy school for his shield, but he's not built to be an Olympic class athlete at every physical level. Bucky with his meat arm is stronger than him.
     
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    i mean did the army even grant blek falcon the title of captain?
     
  8. A_3PO

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    You truly don't understand Captain America. He is much more than "peak human". But you can believe whatever you want to believe.

    I actually loved the Falcon character as portrayed by Anthony Mackie. However, this morphing into Captain America feels very forced and contrived. These are my opinions.
     
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    I think you're right for comic accurate Rogers but as is typical in comics they move his poeer level up and down. But, as you hinted, the movies really juiced Cap beyond typical levels so he wouldn't look out of place.

    But, if I can suspend disbelief that Rogers is anything more than in the way with Godlike gauntlet laden Thanos, I can accept Sam Wilson can hold his own with everyone else with Ironman level tech.
     
  10. Xerobull

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    I sort of took Steve's crazy spikes as peak human with adrenaline peaks of the 'my baby is trapped under the car!', perfect athletic body understanding and control, and an insane, unbreakable willpower based on his beliefs (I can do this all day).

    Good examples though, I can't dispute the helicopter and falling several stories parts, But with Thanos, vibranium absorbs all impacts...given that, there should never be any sort of energy transfer to him, in theory he should be able to just stand there like a dope and block anything.
     
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  11. Invisible Fan

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    What I dont get is that if his shield absorbs punches then how can it deal any kind of damage when he swings or throws it?

    I guess if he sharpens the edges like a blade, it would be a death frisbee or something.
     
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    VERN: It was a pretty good story, Gordy, but there's just one thing I don't understand. Did Lard Ass have to pay to get into the contest?

    GORDY: No, Vern...they just let him in.

    VERN: Oh!! Great story, great story!!
     
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    Reshoots on reshoots on reshoots on reshoots.

    Doing some more just 3 months before its release because of such bad audience feedback.

     
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    Always a good sign
     
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    Don't let @gifford1967 catch you calling it a death frisbee...it's a death disc ;)
     
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    I mean, this guy’s whole schtick is based on being a bitter b*stard.

    Don’t get me wrong, he’s not wrong about the MCU taking a serious downturn the past few years but that was under Bob Chapek, who Disney fired only two years ago after being in place only two years with the business plan of ‘pump out shows to boost Disney+ numbers regardless of quality!’

    Now Bob Iger is back and it takes a while to right a ship the size of Disney. And they had stuff in the can from that two year stint that had to be released due to cost.

    The MCU definitely sucked with The Marvels and She-Hulk being the low point. But the Spider Man movies, Dr Strange, Loki and yes Falcon and Winter Soldier were good. More recently Agatha was a good ride and The Thunderbolts looks like it will surprise people.

    So I think the haters like this dude definitely pile on, especially when it makes them money, but if Cap 4 is as good as the highlights of Falcon and Winter Soldier in an espionage style thriller vehicle like Cap 2, I’ll be satisfied.
     
  19. Jontro

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    i dun get it, i enjoyed the marvels. plus that bri larsen musical was interesting. if it has some scissors it would be a 9.5 fercher.
     
  20. Haymitch

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    He's just covering what's been reported elsewhere. This movie's development has been problematic and test screens haven't gone well at all. They've spent a **** ton of money already.

    An espionage thriller with a Hulk sounds like a confused mess.

    Falcon and Winter Soldier was an abomination. I was sooo looking forward to it, and it was sooo disappointing. Mackie and Stan with 2 interesting characters should have been an easy home run. Instead, it was terrible. If this movie is "good" in the way that the show was, it will lose a ton of money.

    Lastly, I don't think Iger will save anything. My sauce inside Disney thinks similarly and doesn't know a single person who's happy to have Iger back (granted, much of the disdain towards him is in enforcing his back-to-office policy). I'm of the opinion that Iger made a couple right calls but 99% of his good results were from catching the wave of comic book movies rather than creating the wave of comic book movies.
     
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