The first reaction is Martin, but he has had several durability issues already. Iggy's contract is horrible unless we are just gonna use him for a year or two and then move him. Caron, I like him, but it's tough to judge where he's at because Washington is so bad. So, I don't know.
given that Iguodala and Martin are running away with it... there's nothing ironic about that at all armchair prognosticator
Andre Iguodala for two reasons: (1) He's a great 2-way player. His defense is highly underrated. (2) He isn't injury prone. This being his sixth season, he has missed 6 games TOTAL. One per season. He's averaged 81 games per season the last 4 seasons. Kevin Martin averages 66 and Caron Butler averages 66 as well. Martin/Butler appear to be fairly injury-prone and Iguodala appears to be injury-resistant (like Scola).
Looking at Morey's past history this is probably his line of thinking: <b>Martin</b>: Certainly a Morey player <i>on the court </i>, very efficient, good perimeter shooter. Problem is the Kings have already paid him big, thus ending his diamond in the rough status. Now he's just another good yet overpaid player. <b>Iguodala </b>: This is your perfect 2nd tier all star. He's hard nosed defensively, efficient offensively, never injured, and extremely young. Again, problem here is he's gotten paid, in this case not a bad thing cause he could earn the contract. The bigger problem is the additional salary of Dalembert that'd come with Iggi. <b>Butler </b>: This is your perfect Morey type player on the court <b>and </b> is contract friendly. Good offensively and defensively, good overall game. The negative here is he's not getting any younger (he'll be 30 in March). The positive is he's only due $10 mil next year (if you add this + Yao + Battier, who'd all be free agents, that gives us a boat load of money for summer of 2011). I'd rule Martin out completely. IMO Iguodala has more to offer as a player as he is the best of the bunch, but might be due too much money for Morey's liking. In the end, if we were to have a shot at Bosh, I'd go with Iguodala cause then cap space would be moot point as we'd be legitimate contenders for quite some time. If Bosh is a long shot, Morey will go with the shorter contract in Butler and leave room for flexibility.
Agree with ya..ive been saying that for awhile now... We dont need more injury prone players. We've suffered enough!
LOL....oops, right? Again, not saying I wouldn't mind getting any of these guys but it's important to take off the homer glasses and look at what's right in front of you (if you want to throw around the "C" word, as suggested here). None of these guys makes us a contender without Yao. You can dress that up with whatever false hopes and confidence that you want, but you'll never be able to get over that factor.
I wld want martin but he's injury prone.n andre,well All he's rly rly good @ is dunkin,n butler,well nothin bout Him,but out of the 3,I wld go w/martin,maybe he won't Get hurt no more,its a risk
It all depends on what you value. Kevin Martin is a pure scorer but he is not a great defender and he is injury prone. I don't mind taking back his contract given what he can bring to the table points wise. The problem is the health issue. Igoudala is the youngest of the three, the most well-rounded, least injury prone, but he is not a pure scorer. He is McGrady-esque in that he has a streaky outside shot. Morey might find it hard to swallow his contract knowing that he's not getting an A+ offensive talent, which is what this team needs on the wing. Butler is the oldest but smartest basketball player of the three. His contract is also easiest to take on. I think Martin would make the most sense for this team offensively. As long as he makes an effort on defense you don't worry about it too much. You're going to take a risk on all three, but for my money I'll risk it on the guy who is the pure scorer.
Iggy in a landslide... Best passer and defender. Also the youngest and most durable. Whoever said he was a chucker is an idiot, He shot 48 percent last year while throwing dimes. Kevin Martin is soft, soft, soft... You think Tracy was soft?
we watched Artest, Brooks, and Co. play the Lakers tougher than any other opponent did in the entire playoffs... Iguodala or Martin at the 2 and that series is not even similar
Kevin Martin is a horrible defender. Iggy is an elite defender. Iggy is also a better rebounder and facilitator - i.e., Martin is Redd Jr, at least Iggy can setup others. Also, Iggy isn't a chucker - I'm guessing you know little of his game outside slam dunk contest. Bottom line, taking out the discussion of adding contracts to match salary: Iggy is MUCH BETTER than Kevin Martin. Of the three, Iggy is the best of the bunch: +Youngest of the Trio +Best defender/facilitator of the Trio +Most durable of the Trio All things equal, you take Iggy everyday of the week. The only reason you wouldn't is looking at the other contracts you'd have to take with the players. (i.e., Wiz can offer expirings whereas Philly needs to include Dalembert)
Plus, Martin only plays 60 games a year, so that's another reason why we should look at him...oh wait. Iggy is young, does everything the other two player do, and has only missed 7 games his ENTIRE career. Yeah, you take Iggy.
I love how ppl like to speak without any knowledge of the player and base their judgments on what they've seen in highlights rather than actually watching a player play. Numbers suggest he's more than just a dunker. FG% - 0.431 3PT% - 0.327 FT%- 0.774 Reb - 6.8 Asts - 5.8 Stls - 2.0 PPG - 18.4
I was going to take the time to refute this, but I didn't think it was worth it - anyone who writes like that clearly has no idea what he's talking about, so I wasn't too worried about people actually buying into it. (EDIT: I was referring to the person you quoted. I agree with you 100%) Iggy is clearly the best player of the bunch, the only issue is the additional contracts and burden it would put on us. I don't know what to tell people who honestly would prefer Martin; I'll give some leeway to Caron because his contract is probably the best of the three and he's still pretty effective, but all things equal, Iggy is clearly the best of the bunch.
For what it is worth, Iguodala has a better adjusted +/- rating than the other two according to the publicly available numbers. That seems to be one of the things the Rockets look at. Iguodala is the best defender, the best athlete, he's the youngest, and he's the most durable. He's also the best passer. He's not an ideal fit alongside Trevor Ariza, unfortunately. But he's a player that I'd love to have on the team otherwise.
Iggy. Well rounded except for 3pt shooting. He gets to the line. He plays defense. He rebounds very well for position. Iggy would excel against a defense with the center fronting. Martin is a decent 2nd choice as he adds a lot of fire power. I would expect Ariza's 2 point percentage get back to where it should be with Martin drawing attention.
Absolutely.. I think the only way we would be able to get Iggy is in a 3 or 4-way deal which moves Dalembert somewhere other than Houston. Morey's made it clear he wants no part of Dalembert. If Iggy's not an option, i would go with Caron Butler ONLY BECAUSE he has a better contract situation which would give us a bit more freedom in 2011.
i rather have Mcgrady's contract expire if it meant getting Butler. I dont see Butler as a player that can get us over the top. If thats the deal Morey has in mind then it would be best to let the contract expire and try to lure joe johnson or Chris bosh this summer. Iggy would be the best option here, or Morey needs to contact the hawks about JJ. JJ does not want to be there and wont re sign with them anyways. something like JJ + zacha for Mcgrady
