Martin glad to share Rockets backcourt with Brooks

Dead horse syndrome?

 

We'll see how this works out now that he's not allowed to beg for the call -- I'm assuming the rule change applies to people complaining because they didn't get the call just as much as it does to the people complaining cause they didn't want the call.

 

""They're effective shooters," Martin said of his first and most recent partner in the backcourt. "They don't need to dribble all day"

Hi Tyreke.

 

No no, you missed my point, Lowry does not whine or beg for the call like that, he is trying to FORCE the official to make the call, thus leaving his efficiency dependent upon a 3rd parties judgement.

DD

 

And that is a legit point. But.........Dada...........it works. They call the fouls by the bucketloads against Lowry's defenders. You know I'm giving you your own argument. This is the SOLE REASON Corey Maggette is in the NBA right now. He does nothing else but draw a bucketload of whistles against his defenders. And when you add all those free throws into Lowry's efficiency, he is a much better finisher than Brooks.

Brooks is NOT the better player. Brooks is the better FIT with the starters, including Yao. IF Melo were on this team as the starting small forward, or if some other player like Danny Granger were on this team as the starting small forward, then Brooks shooting and scoring would be a lot less needed and Lowry's playmaking, defense, and foul drawing would be more in vogue.

 

Actually I think they are just about even, because Lowry gets a boost on the fouls he draws and Brooks from his 3pters. The difference for me is that Brooks is not relient on a 3rd party who do NOT call those fouls late in games.

We need folks that can make shots and not rely on the refs.

Yes he is, and by a wide margin.

Brooks would be the better fit with anyone because he could take advantage of any situation, teams can leave Lowry wide open and the majority of the time he would fail.

If Lowry became a starter, he would be exposed faster than a vampire in sunlight.

He just can not shoot the ball, and it would be Rafer Alston like all over again.....well at least Rafer Alston light......

I do not hate Lowry, but he is a very flawed player, AB has flaws too, but Lowry's flaws are easy to take advantage of where Brooks flaws can be overcome by his shotmaking etc.

DD

 

It tells us only one thing: the basketball IQ (whoever invented this IQ nonsense is an idiot) of this BBS is at all time low.

 

DD, in short...You try to mock other posters' intelligence, however, it was you who showed BLATANT IGNORANCE in onbe post, arguing that AB could only be traded for a player of his similar salary...ignoring the roles of salary fillers....and that, with someone with so much free time to hang around in forums, is not something to be forgiven....

So, stop thinking you're the most knowledgeable guy, or comparing yourself to a coach, because you don't live up to that level...

For the rest of your opinions....No matter how much 'improved' as long as he keeps ignoring WIDE OPEN TEAMMATES...you can't say he does't have a severe lack of court vision or a severe lack of Basketball IQ

And sometimes you even imply that AB is the best player of the team behind Yao, wrong again, in intangibles, in leadership, or even in stats (not just pure scoring, but more complete stats, like Efficiency or PEr rating) Scola has been that man...and even KMart would be ahead of Brooks...

 

BBIQ is a similar equivalent to INTELLIGENCE...ignoring the importance of intelligence is preaching in pro of a pure athletic game, a series of one on one...where the muscle or athleticism is the only important thing....

Perhpasthat coold for fans who only seek for dunks all over and over, with no intelligence, strategy or tactics, being used in the game....perhaps complex kind of games ara far ahead of such kind of fans mind capabilities?

However, think about it, there were guys with equal or even better physicial capabilities than Tim Duncan, Magic Johnson or Larry Bird...but they had a HUGE advantage regarding Basketball IQ.....or will you deny that they were VERY intelligent players? Even Michael jordan at his prime, he wasn't just a monkey jumping around, he was very competitive adn intelligent also....why do you keep ignoring that?

 

Tony Parker can finish in the paint almost all the time. Tony Parker's outside shot is nowhere near as good as AB. I'd have to say there complete opposites except for speed

 

Mock, mock?.....hardly, I pity them. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

LOL - methinks you need to be able to figure out the difference between sarcasm and truth. Everytime you bring this point up, you look foolish......

It is true though, AB can not be traded for equal value, his contract is just too low for what you get, then you have to factor in that whomever is trading for AB would have to be willing to give up a large salary to him to keep him.

Thus, probably adding millions to their salary cap hit.

And of course I know about fillers to make trades work, who doesn't?

Me pointing it out that the proposed trade would not work because of the difference in salary was funny......something you apparently missed the boat on....

You are right, I am much better than that.

:grin:

Oh, and the team I coach starts playing in January.

No one hits every wide open teamate, it just doesn't happen. and sometimes fans think someone is wide open but fail to recognize the truth of the matter in the position of the ball, or the ability to make a clean pass, or the ability of the reciever to catch that pass, it is just not as simple as many people think.

Sometimes it is smarter to NOT make that pass.....

Now, that being said, AB makes enough good passes to make me realize that he has good court vision, is it great? NO......Ish Smith has outstanding court vision......AB is nowhere near that.....if you had that court vision and AB's shot making ability you would have Chris Paul.

While AB is good, he is not Chris Paul, but he is top 10 in the league at the PG position and fits into this team like a glove, and is the most important player on the floor for the team.

Neither Scola or Martin (whom I both love) can get their own shot, or create off the bounce for others.

Only AB can create a good shot for himself or others...he is the only guy on the team that can do that....Ish and Lowry can create their shot, but that is a bad shot more often than not...

AB is the only one that can get a good shot no matter what.

DD

 

I heard that since we have two decent point guards I need to constantly criticize both of them and seek trades ASAP..

 

We have 3 good ones now...all with contrasts in style, this is the best PG situation the Rox have had since Kenny, Sam and Brooks.

DD

 

People expect battier to drive to the basket and finish above the rim, drawing fouls making great passes blah blah blah. Battier is doing what he was brought here to do. I have a feeling that if Battier werent on this team our defense would go south WAYYYYYYYYY south. He's a vocal leader and a solid player and every coach loves having him on the team. People just be ingorantttt

 

I think people on this board underrate Kevin Martin's ability to get his shot off. Sure they aren't going to ISO him every play because his main strength is playing off screens, but that doesn't mean he is incapable of creating. I remember several plays distinctively last season when he used a nice spin move to create separation.

 

You missed the point, Kevin Martin is what is known as a 3 bounce guy, someone that is most effective if has to put the ball on the floor less than 3 bounces.

If he is asked to dribble and create too much, his shortcomings appear quite quickly.

Kevin Martin is great at creating off of minimum bounces, that is true, but he does not actually pass it that much, and why shoud he, his efficiency is off the charts !

DD

 

You were the one who looked so foolish, that you weren't able to hit back (as you like that much) in that original thread, you made a lame attempt to justify yourself, only to be exposed more....

If you wanted to make a rebuttal of the trade, that would be easy for you to place a reasoned argument...but you didn;t do it, you only made such ignorant statement....only after the shame of being exposed, you had to keep your mouth shut....if I'm wrong, show me the original link with your final answer there.....your briliant answer that didn't appear back then, when it was the time....

No true contributor in championship winning teams, misses wide open teammates so often neither....

Even if that'd be true (try to say that Scola can't create his own shot to an NBA coach, or a knowledgeable Euroleague fan, to see how hard they laugh)....

Scola PER rating or Efficiency, says he's a better player overall than Brooks, the problems is that it seems that simple minded fans like you think scoring is more credible than complex evaluations of the players....

And about intangibles, Scola most of the times makes the most intellgient decision during the game, Scola has been the leader of his team since playing pro Basketball in Europe at age 18....

His value has been proven in Spanish League, Euroleague, FIBA World Cup, Olympic Games, and NBA (PER rating and efficiency ahead of Brooks)... but hey, Brooks scores a little more, so he's the better players...isn't it?

 

The trade was so stupid that it was more fun to point out an obvious flaw such as salary matching, and move on.

Sorry you missed the fun part.

I am having a hard time seeing your post looking through Tony Parker's 3 rings.....or Derek Fisher's 5 rings, matter of fact, what were you saying again?

You again, missed the boat, it is about a guy who can dribble it up and create off the bounce.....sigh.

I love Scola, I just don't want him and his great PER playing PG for us.

DD

 

If you're going to take points away from Lowry for his lack of 3 point shooting, you have to give him some back for defense and rebounding. Personally, I think when you have both, Lawry is better off the bench. Both are solid starters a the position.

And I really don't quite see how Lowry's lack of a 3 pt shot is such a liability. He played 24 min a game last season, and only took up to 2 a game. Yes, with Yao on the court, it's quite possible he'll be caught left open a the three point line more often, but perhwe really didn't see that problem in 08-09. I don't think it's fair to compare him to Rafer because Rafer's game was drastially different. Rafer couldn't be productive without the ball, he didn't have a midrange game, and couldn't take it strong to the basket to get a foul...just bad floaters.

 

For some reason, I am getting a really good vibe about AB this season. Perhaps his stats from last season was mostly a result of increased usage, but it seems to me that his game is more smooth and under control during the preseason this year.

I am hopefull we'll see a good year out of AB.