Hey outlaw, are these quotes directly from the Bible or paraphrased. You see, I'm doing one of my speeches in my Oral Comm class defending gay marriage and I have found a lot helpful and useful material within this thread and plan on using some Biblical quotes in my speech. ANy other helpful information in the defense of gay marriage would also be helpful although I have found more than enough already.
i'm not outlaw...but i'll try to help... it's picking and choosing. it's telling half the story without telling the other half....it's not completing the sentence. "the wages of sin are death.......BUT THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD." as pee wee herman once said..."everyone i know has a big 'but.'" i don't believe you can read the first part of the scripture i just quoted above and understand it without the second part...and christians don't believe you can read the old testament and have it make any sense without understanding the grace of God through Jesus Christ. when a Christian says something is biblical, it assumes a full understanding of the completion of God's love and grace through Christ. hope that helps...
Lil Pun, I would highly advise reading the Massachusetts decision (Goodridge v. Dept. of Public Health), which you can find here. It gives a good history of the legal aspects to marriage and (IMHO) a good explanation for why the banning of gay marriage is at odds with the Massachusetts Constitution (which is similar to the US Constitution). If you want, I can send you a breakdown of the legal reasoning that would support gay marriage. But I'm at work right now, so it will have to wait till later.
i don't know. there are the passage numbers at the end of each point so I guess you could look it up but I don't know which Bible version the Congressman used. good luck on your speech! Yeah you just wish you were
the simple answer is not...what i'm saying is that a Christian doesn't look at those Old Testament laws and think, "oh, yeah...that's what i'm supposed to be doing." when a Christian says, "let's approach this biblically" they're not looking at Old Testament laws...they're looking to the faith as it was taught through Jesus Christ....and looking back on the Old Testament through that lens. so i'm saying that those scripture verses taken out of the context of the message of Christianity don't really factor into a debate as a counter to some argument springing out of Christianity.
I think it's fine to use those verses in response to those given by those against homosexuality and gay marriage, however.
he can certainly do that...i think my response would be "objective, nonresponsive!" because the argument framed by the other side, that he's seeking to counter, is that we should approach this Biblically. I don't think there are many faith traditions out there in Christianity pointing to old Jewish law and saying, "yep...that's what we're all about!" it's just irrelevant in this conversation, i think.
Actually, I would counter your "objective" (I think you meant objection ) with this: People say we should ban gay marriage because the Bible condemns homsexuality. However, these same people ignore other prescriptions for behavior in the Bible. Therefore, they must not believe in strict, uncompromising adherence to the Bible. Thus, they must offer more reasoning than "it's in the Bible" to support their position against gay marriage, because obviously the Bible is not their sole director of their behavior. So I think it's quite relevant to mention these other quotes.
my bad on the objective thing...how classic is it that I misspelled that, though!!! that's a beauty! i hear ya...and i understand what you're saying...but as a Christian that criticism rings hollow...if you're going to counter this argument made by a Christian, then you'd be speaking on an entirely different level with that. you're not really addressing what it is he's saying...it's like arguing semantics. the admonitions against homosexuality are even post-Jesus in the New Testament. but i keep having to say that I think this amendment is a bad idea...and I don't feel the least bit threatened by gay couples being allowed to marry. my wife and i will be just fine, thanks!
plagerized from a blog who plagerized it from somewhere else. Njoy Why gay people should NOT be allowed to get married 12 reasons why gay people should not be allowed to get married 1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control. (You just imagined the penguins. Anyway, penguins are unnatural: they're birds, they fly underwater. Nuff said.) 2. Heterosexual marriages are valid becasue they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can't legally get married because the world needs more children. 3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children. 4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if Gay marriage is allowed, since Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful. 5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are property, blacks can't marry whites, and divorce is illegal. 6. Gay marriage should be decided by people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities. 7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire counrty. That's why we have only one religion in America. 8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall. 9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract. 10. Children can never suceed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children. 11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to things like cars or longer lifespans. 12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "seperate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Seperate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as seperate marriages for gays and lesbians will.
Just wanted to clarify this. 1. Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. 2. Jesus did speak often against divorce (in Mark, Matthew and Luke) 3. I think it is fair & accurate to say that Christians today care more about what Paul said about homosexuality than what Jesus said about divorce.
this is just disgusting, I can't believe there are AMERICANS today that think this is right Tenn. County Wants to Charge Homosexuals DAYTON, Tenn. - The county that was the site of the Scopes "Monkey Trial" over the teaching of evolution is asking lawmakers to amend state law so the county can charge homosexuals with crimes against nature. The Rhea County commissioners approved the request 8-0 Tuesday. Commissioner J.C. Fugate, who introduced the measure, also asked the county attorney to find a way to enact an ordinance banning homosexuals from living in the county. "We need to keep them out of here," Fugate said. The vote was denounced by Matt Nevels, president of the Chattanooga chapter of Parents, Family and Friends of Lesbians and Gays. "That is the most farfetched idea put forth by any kind of public official," Nevels said. "I'm outraged." Last year, the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) struck down Texas' sodomy laws as a violation of adults' privacy. Rhea County is one of the most conservative counties in Tennessee. It holds an annual festival commemorating the 1925 trial at which John T. Scopes was convicted of teaching evolution. The verdict was thrown out on a technicality. The trial became the subject of the play and movie "Inherit the Wind." In 2002, a federal judge ruled unconstitutional the teaching of a Bible class in the public schools. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=519&u=/ap/20040317/ap_on_re_us/county_gay_ban_1&printer=1
