chris brown. and i don't think the titans suck and never said as much, and certainly not in this thread. i don't think they'll win 8 games again. and you're steering this WAY off course, anyway. the writer made a comment about how good mario williams had to play to erase the bush/baby vince 1-2 punch. i'm merely suggesting that, from a statistical standpoint (which he referenced), williams was on par with the other two, and the ONLY reason he's seemingly "behind" them is because of lazy sportswriters like this guy who spent last year overinflating bush and young's credentials. they all had - by ANY measure - average to below average rookie years. none were the best offensive or defensive player of the draft; not by a long shot. bush certainly wasn't the best rookie RB (nor even the best rookie on his own team); young may have been the best rookie QB, but more by default and certainly not based on stats; and mario was the 3rd or 4th best DE and, like bush, not the best rookie on his team. if, for example, they'd spent as much time detailing mario's injury (which, by the way, is keeping terrence newman out of games this year) as they did heaping credit onto baby vince, people's perspective might be different. but it was too easy to champions baby vince and grind up mario.
they rank QBs by their QB rating, so yes. i could pull out additional stats - he was among the bottom five in completion %; YPA; he threw more INTs than TDs... and i never said he WAS the 30th best QB in football (or 2nd worst, if you will), nor that scores of teams would pass on him if given the chance to trade their QB for him.
please go take your vince young manlove to another thread this was about Bush vs. Williams (wow...even the thread title says it)
By "continue to win" do you mean beating Jacksonville? The same team that the David Carr-led Texans swept last year? The same team that just gave up on their franchise QB? I'll admit, Jeff Fisher and Vince Young will keep them from going 3-13, but you can't deny that last year's team isn't as good as this year's team. I can't see them winning more than 6 or 7 games this year.
they're actually 9-5; and have been outscored in those 14 vince young led games. as i said, i don't expect them to get the same breaks they got last year; they were a very fortituous team in 2006.
But this assumes that people don't improve. In his first 6 starts, they went 2-4 and were outscored by 54 points. After that, they went 7-1 - during which time Vince's rushing and passing numbers improved noticably. If you assume that the order of the games doesn't matter, that's one thing. But if you assume that rookie quarterbacks will improve over the course of the first couple of months of play, then that suggests you probably don't want to use year-long averages in projecting future success.
I wish the texans could have been fortituous in at least one of the previous five seasons. amazing they weren't fortituous until vince started. you always make the baby vince jokes, he must be with that kind of luck.
Absolutely - the defense improved noticably over the course of the season. It would be silly not to consider to that when evaluating where their defense was going into this season. Their record didn't because the offense seemed to regress over time, but the new revamped offense hopefully fixes that.
major, what's your point? seriously? i was merely pointing out that the writer was obviously oblivious to his and his ilk's own role in creating the shadows bush and baby vince have cast over mario williams. that had they been less biased, less lazy, more attentive, etc., in their reporting last season, there would not be a need - last year, this year, or any other year - for mario williams to "generate eye-grabbing highlights and stats each week to compare favorably to Bush and/or Young." beyond that, i'm not really interested in debating vince young again. we can all meet up in decemeber and you and the others can come up with excuses for tennessee's 6-10 season, and the rest of us will get a big kick out of it. until then.....
Responding to this: they're actually 9-5; and have been outscored in those 14 vince young led games. as i said, i don't expect them to get the same breaks they got last year; they were a very fortituous team in 2006. And yet, here you are unable to resist getting in the middle of pointing out that the Titans were 9-5 under Vince instead of 9-3. If you didn't want to debate him, why on earth the need to correct that and jump in pointing out that they had been outscored and were lucky? Thus far, the only person that has made excuses here is you - suggesting that the Titans only won last year through luck. A bit of an odd thing for you to suggest that the rest of us would be the ones doing that. I think the Titans will be mediocre again because they had a pretty terrible offseason. Vince should improve but otherwise they lost a lot of talent.
i agree. they lost twice last year on the game's final play and to the giants after jameel cook fumbled on a late drive in giant territory down only 4. it seems they've never caught many breaks - maybe that'll change this year. you're right. what a moribund, sucky franchise it was before they drafted baby vince. man, i remember when they were 43-21 between 2000-2003 and thinking, "god, what a ****ty team. they need a savior to come lift them out of this rut they're in." they had two bad years after losing their two best players (kearse and george) in 2004 and their QB then got hurt/old. but they've always drafted well and have one of the nfl's best coaches. my guess is that they would have posted 7-to-9 wins last year regardless of where baby vince was. especially when you bother to look at the contributions others made in 2006 - like travis henry; like pac man jones; like rod bironas.
is that record up for debate? i don't think they ONLY won through luck. pac man jones was a beast last year. travis henry put together a decent season with great games sprinkled throughout. they've always had a great front office/coaching staff. but they were among the bottom five in (i'm pulling from memory) every single major offensive and defensive team category last year, save for, like, 1 or 2. if, from that, you're able to pull out 8 wins, then you are most certainly fortuitous. most nfl teams that win, are. it's not a knock.
sorry, but also meant to add... it gets back to my point: the efforts of reggie bush and baby vince were being blown out of proportion by lazy writers, etc. he ISN'T 9-3.; he's 9-5. THAT'S why i responded to it; it underscored my initial post.
