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mario vs. bush

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Bag0b0y, Sep 9, 2007.

  1. meh

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    Well, profootballweekly.com had a much more favorable comparison between the two. Link

     
  2. ROXRAN

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    It cracks me up, Bush has that silly black marker commercial talking about "patience"...

    I will be patient on both, but thus far Mario looks to be needing less of it...
     
  3. Chuck 4

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    Why does that make an athlete a "sellout?" Michael Jordan did every commercial possible and would have been a spokesperson for VD if they asked him to and no one ever called him a sellout.

    Also, good for Mario. Ive rode him as hard as anyone. It is just one week, but thats one week that Im going to lay off of him.

    Go Texans!
     
  4. Joe Joe

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    Jordan won 6 rings. You win 6 rings, you can be the spokesperson for shower shoes that have fungus on them and be called "colorful". You miss "voluntary" workouts for ad campaigns before you have a 1000 yard rushing season, people will call you a sellout.
     
  5. DonkeyMagic

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    i agree. He is always capable of breaking a big play but he needs to learn to just take what yards he can get. I remember at least 2 times when he had (or could have had) a 1st down but tried to make a "big" play and lost yardage. Plus, he just isnt good running in the middle. One thing about him is that although he has always been a marquee player, in college and the pros, he has yet to be the guy that carries a team and i dont think he can be in the nfl
     
  6. Rocket River

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    Very Good Assessment

    Rocket River
     
  7. Joe Joe

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    I think Bush is on the wrong team for his abilities. Philly and Nashville would be the best places for him. The respect VY's legs gets already from LBs is amazing and could help Reggie get to the outside. Plus if Bush lines up as a WR, the team still has a running threat.
     
  8. DonkeyMagic

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    i think he's in a great situation in NO. He has a good qb, a workhorse RB that you have to respect, and a quality WR.
     
  9. rhester

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    Bush has played up to my expectations.

    He is very fast, can make big plays in space but is not an every down back is no where near a Gale Sayers or Barry Sanders like so many experts thought.

    He won't be a hall of fame player and he won't make many pro bowls if any (unless he does it as an all purpose back/return player and has a monster season)

    Mario- played his best game Sunday. Solid play, but he is still not as disruptive as a pro bowl end should be. I hope he continues to improve and keeps a very competitive aggressive attitude, he could still become special.
     
  10. Rocket River

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    He isn't even Warrick Dunn at this point
    and I have my doubts if he ever will be

    Rocket River
     
  11. Major

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    I wouldn't go that far. He had 1307 rushing+receiving yards last year, and 8 TDs. Dunn had 1310 and 5 TDs.

    Bush isn't the superstar running back some people projected - but last year, he filled exactly the role NO needed. They had the running back in Deuce. They had a great QB and great receivers. That means open space for Reggie Bush coming out of the backfield - and he took advantage of that. Bush has one strength: get into open space and make things happen. That's exactly what he did the 2nd half of last year.

    Bush couldn't do what Dunn does as an inside runner, but Dunn can't do what Bush does in the openfield. They just aren't that similar players.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    the same situation at usc.
     
  13. DonkeyMagic

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    exactly.
     
  14. moonnumack

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    Back to your point, I think there was obviously a lot of debate about the pick among Houston fans. However, since he has been on our team, I think the majority of the fans have been hopeful and supportive of Mario as a Texan. Like Bag0b0y suggested, the VY lovers will never waver that we screwed up by passing on a hometown star, but most of us noted the flaws in Bush's game. I know I'm not the only one who would take Adrian Peterson in a heartbeat over Reggie Bush. Frankly, I don't care how many commercials a guy has on TV or marketability. I want the guy who's gonna help our team win, and I hope Kubiak was right about Mario being that guy.
     
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    Melo/Vince makes sense but I don't know about the rest of those comparisons. Darko was a sort of an unknown to all of us NBA fans going into the draft. Sure, we had all read the scouting reports talking about his size and potential but his exposure to us was nowhere near what Reggie Bush's was.

    Comparing Mario to LeBron is also a bit of a stretch. I'm not trying to get a charge out of any Texans fans either. I like Mario but he just isn't the player LeBron is yet. Comparing NBA vs. NFL is apples/oranges but LeBron is the same age and he's arguably the best player in basketball. Mario isn't even considered an elite DE yet.

    There's also the Bush/LeBron element. In 2003 everybody knew and there seemed to be no question from anybody that the Cavs would take LeBron #1. Nobody would dare argue for Darko, it was all about LeBron and LeBron vs. Melo. Going into the 2006 NFL Draft the Texans were receiving similar treatment from the fans and media regarding Bush yet they chose (and wisely, IMO) to choose defense. Kind of cool how there was the 1 vs. 3 arguement in that draft though with Bush/Williams vs. Vince.
     
  16. pgabriel

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    uh, I wouldn't come to that conclusion, since you only posted raw number lets look further


    bush had 556 rush yards with a 3.6 average
    dunn, 978 with a respectable 4.4 avg.

    and even though the rec yards clearly favors bush, he still averaged a very low 8.4 yards per recept. at one point I believe he was last in the league among yards per recept. dunn on the oth avg 11.8 yards per recept.

    so I wouldn't even argue bush is better in the open field.
     
  17. Major

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    Seriously? Dunn isn't even known for his abilities in open-space. He's a minor part of the passing game with 20 catches for the season - compared to 88 for Bush. Bush isn't good at a lot of things in the traditional sense of football, but he's absurdly good in open space. You can't compare their yards-per-reception numbers because they play totally different roles in the passing game.

    Dunn is certainly a better inside runner. If you'd take Dunn over Bush as a receiver though, you're nuts. Dunn would be useless in New Orleans. Bush would be useless in Atlanta. They are both in ideal situations.
     
  18. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    well if you're going to eliminate that key stat I guess your argument works. bush is a helluvan open field runner


    in college.

    he hasn't proven that in the nfl, forget dunn, he's yards per reception numbers are at the bottom of the league last season. how does that make you a good open field player.

    if it wasn't for new orleans force feeding him the rock, he would have been considered a bust.
     
  19. pgabriel

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    I take it back, he wasn't last, he was number 260, behind a lot of running backs on the yards per reception list.
     
  20. rezdawg

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    Bush hasnt showed anything for me to say that he's a great open field runner.

    All those receptions were dump offs...its not like he runs good routes and gets open. Also, he has yet to have a rush of more than 18 yards.

    The guy is completely overrated.

    Dunn>Bush
     

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