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March 4 Primaries (TX, OH, VT, RI)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by weslinder, Feb 15, 2008.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Is this like the big news about Obama that you promised would be coming at the end of last week, and never materialized?
     
  2. mc mark

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    Freedom's Watch is Ari Fleischer's 527. They have about a quater of a billion dollars (that's BILLION with a B) for another swift boat attack. Never mind it being truthfull or anything. Here's an interesting article on them in Salon.

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/08/24/fleischer_war/
     
  3. Nolen

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    To me, Obama saying "denounced" meant that he had denounced what Farrakhan has said about Judaism as reprehensible, etc.

    I think when Russert and Clinton pressed him on "rejection" they meant that he openly, formally reject Farrakhan's support of him. To formally say "I don't want nor do I accept the support of Farrakhan."

    I think there is a difference, and I thought Obama could have been trapped in a corner on that one. Clinton did say she thought Obama was sincere in his support of Judaism, but should go further. Obama doesn't want to go there, for fear of alienating the niche of the african american community that supports Farrakhan. Obama was caught having to do a dance of not angering the Jewish voters but also not lose the Farrakhan/african american voters. Somehow he did some debate ju-jitsu move, reversed the whole thing, wrote it off as semantics and said "hey, fine, you want that, I reject AND denounce." They all even laughed at it. Without that he could have been effectively cornered and it would have been the story of the night. Instead the story is Hillary looks trite trying to stamp Obama with semantics.


    With that, I really must say that Obama has remarkable verbal self-defense. He just sits poised, doesn't get shaken up, and will even laugh things off. When they played the Hillary "celestial choir" clip he just smiled, said it was pretty funny and she gets points for delivery- everyboy laughs and the tension leaves the room. Anyone else would have loved the chance to play the victim and attack in kind. Obama could have at least trotted his usual "politics we're tired of" line. Instead he gives Hill a get out of jail free card. He looks magnanimous, generous, too big to get caught up in petty sh**. And I don't think it's just because he's the front runner, I think he was like this before he attained that status.
     
  4. El_Conquistador

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    Look, Jews are not going to vote for Obama. Take that to the bank right now. Yes, yes, some will, but not all. Give this issue some time...
     
  5. mc mark

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    So first it was whites that wouldn't vote for Obama, then it became women and hispanics, now it's the Jews that aren't going to vote for him?

    This is going to be good! What do you call a Jew Boater?
     
  6. rimrocker

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    My guess is that Obama has more black donors than Farrakhan has black followers. The Nation Of Islam is not going to swing a national election.
     
  7. rimrocker

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    Brilliant analysis.

    Of course not all Jew are going to vote for Obama. Just a large majority.

    It's really comical what you guys think is going to happen with the BS info you'll be pushing. As Jethro Tull said, you're Living in the Past.
     
  8. B-Bob

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    That stands in opposition to my direct knowledge of scores of jewish people in San Francisco, New York, Houston, DC, Seattle, and even Salt Lake City.

    The more educated people are, the more they favor Obama. In general, and I hate to generalize, but jewish people like edumacation.

    Some strong zionists will favor McCain probably, but that's about it.
     
  9. rimrocker

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    Well, if this is what you were referring to, I stand corrected. I can now see Jews across the lands collectively turning away from Obama because of a Tennessee Republican Party Press Release.

    http://www.tngop.org/wordpress/?p=113

    As an aside, maybe the National Republican Party should use the TN slogan: Leading by Conviction.
     
  10. mc mark

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    ^^^ Rovian politics of division is soooo 2004.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    People keep saying Hillary wins the discussions on health care. Maybe I'm just odd but I like Obama's approach much more than hers.
     
  13. mc mark

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    Wait a minute, how do you go from this?

    to this?

    :confused:

    what is FW really for?
     
  14. pippendagimp

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    Who are Obama's largest funders and backers?
     
  15. rimrocker

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  16. mc mark

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    people

    ;)
     
  17. Refman

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    This is just low. So if you are educated, you favor Obama? So if you don't favor Obama, you are uneducated? My, oh my, how highly we think of ourselves and how little we think of those who disagree these days.

    My father is a CPA and was the controller at a bank. Pretty educated. He does not favor Obama.

    My law partner and I are both lawyers. We do not favor Obama.

    I guess we just fall into the uneducated portion of those with doctoral degrees. :rolleyes:
     
  18. Deckard

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    When you're talking about Democrats, in general, he's right. I suspect that might be true with a lot of independents and disenchanted Republicans, as well. Not everyone! :)




    Impeach Bush before We're Invaded by Canada!
     
  19. Major

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    This isn't at all what he said - and I suspect you know that. He simply stated a statistical fact. College grads support Obama more than non-College grads, and those with advanced degrees support Obama more than College grads. The more education, the more likely the support. Nowhere did he state ALL educated people support Obama.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    For the record I have my doubts about both candidates health care plan but if your goal is universal health care then Hillary's, which was also basically John Edwards' plan too, gets you there where as Obama's doesn't. The difference is that Hillary's mandates universal health care while Obama doesn't. The problem that most analysts point out with Obama's plan is that as long as you don't mandate that everyone has health care you will continue to have a huge hole of people who don't decide to get health care for whatever reason and end up relying on the Emergency Room for basic care which ends up costing society more than if everyone had insurance. That is a big part of the problem that we have now with spiraling health care costs. Obama has downplayed this problem by saying that with almost everyone having health care then those who don't will pretty much just go along and that health care costs will come down enough anyway for everyone to afford it. While there might be health care savings I think its questionable that everyone will go ahead and get it and my guess is that with an Obama health care plan there will still be a large group of people who end up spending their money on something else rather than health care if they aren't compelled to even if it is more affordable.
     

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