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March 4 Primaries (TX, OH, VT, RI)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by weslinder, Feb 15, 2008.

  1. Batman Jones

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    Alright. I'm fired up and ready to go to my caucus. See y'all...
     
  2. Major

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    Coming from the Republican who supports Hillary Clinton.
     
  3. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    I'll see you there!
     
  4. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Batman, earlier I posted an example of an Obama supporter on CNN who deliberately distorted what Ms. Clinton said about Barack's religion. Pure, old style politics. I know you want Barack to be a pure as the driven snow... I just want to win in November.



    Impeach Bush.
     
  5. basso

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    at the Atlantic:

    [rquoter]I'm hearing big Hispanic turnout in Texas (good for Clinton) and a huge Clinton edge among late-deciders (obviously good for Clinton).[/rquoter]
     
  6. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    An Obama supporter ... versus carefully plotted top-down campaign strategy? Deck, seriously, I don't think he farts perfume, but Obama is different from Hillary. He wouldn't air one of those "3 a.m." ads. Wouldn't make fun of people who vote for her. And so forth.

    Heck, McCain is less slash and burn than Hillary. I hear you about November, but that's why Trader_Limbaugh if off to meet Batman at the caucus! LOL
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    I just heard that Hillary's campaign is now involved in a conference call with her lawyers to talk about voter supression and voter intimidation during the caucus process. Apparently they are also looking into people illegally obtaining caucus guides all from the Texas election here.

    That kind of action won't win any fans in Texas.

    I've watched the interview with Cross again, and the more I watch the video, the more I think that at some point she was trying to play to people's fears of his religion.

    The fact that she added "as far as I know" in there was ridiculous. I've watched her in debates, and she doesn't just say things that sound that calculated without knowing what she's doing.

    I don't think it was her intention to play that card, but once she saw the opportunity I think she seized on it.

    The night is young and we will see how all of this plays out. She looks to be doing extremely well in Ohio.
     
  8. The Cat

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    CNN's exit poll numbers are up. Hillary has a 3-4 point edge in RI and 1-2 in Texas... but I'm not sure if that factors in early voting, which appears to benefit Obama.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Odd MSNBC has Obama currently up by 9 points in Tex with about a million votes so far.
     
  10. mc mark

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    so this is why Obama has been so quiet the last few days. --

    Clinton scrambles to freeze defectors

    By: Mike Allen and Ben Smith
    Mar 4, 2008 07:29 PM EST
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8838.html

    A behind-the-scenes battle broke out late Tuesday over superdelegates who had secretly committed to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), with Clinton campaign officials scrambling to “freeze” them before they announced support for him.

    The battle reflects the trench warfare that both campaigns expect if the battle for the Democratic presidential nomination stretches on to the Pennsylvania primary on April 22.

    Democratic officials involved in the conversations said Obama was lining up a package of superdelegates – the party insiders whose votes help select the Democratic nominee – with plans to announce their support as a bloc.

    Obama also plans to announce he raised more than $50 million in February, considerably more than Clinton’s $35 million.

    The Obama theory was that the separate announcements would convey juggernaut-like momentum if Obama had big wins on Tuesday, and would help turn the page if he had a disappointing showing in the Texas or Ohio primaries.

    But aides to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) became convinced by network exit polls and her own data that she would have a stronger-than-expected showing. So they immediately began urging Obama’s prospective superdelegates to withhold their support.

    An Obama aide said: "Despite last-minute Clinton pranks, the rumor they're floating about a massive superdelegate rollout tomorrow is not true."

    One Democratic lawmaker described “pushback” from the Clinton campaign, but did not elaborate.

    A senior Clinton aide said her supporters were scrambling to "freeze" members of congress on the verge of announcing for Obama, and said a good night for Clinton would be key to forestalling the move.

    The Obama campaign had an extensive “whip” organization set up to track and woo these officials, including members of Congress.

    “We’ll wake up tomorrow and we’ll see where folks are,” an Obama aide said. “We have new support every single day.”

    Obama forces responded to the Clinton overtures by telling superdelegates that regardless of Tuesday’s outcome, Obama would retain the lead in elected delegates.

    An Obama official said his campaign plans to argue that even if she scored one or more victories on Tuesday, it would be “virtually impossible” for her to catch up in the delegate count.

    An Obama statement said: “Three weeks ago, when they led polls in Texas and Ohio by twenty points, the Clinton campaign set their own test for today's primaries. They confidently predicted that they would win by landslide margins and wipe out the substantial edge Barack Obama has built in pledged delegates.

    “But what we've seen is that voters in Ohio, Texas, Vermont and Rhode Island share the same urgent desire for change we have seen throughout the country. That's why we're confident that Barack Obama will maintain his delegate lead, leaving the Clinton campaign to explain why they failed their own test and exactly how they plan to win a nomination that, after tonight, will be virtually out of reach.”
     
  11. Ubiquitin

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    clinton is doing well in Ohio but not in Texas.... I wish it were the other way around.
     
  12. The Cat

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    Wow... CBS calls Rhode Island for Clinton, very early given the exits. I wonder if they have information the other networks don't...
     
  13. mc mark

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    The guy that's not running for president (THANK THE GODS!!!!) is endorsing McCain tomorrow at the WH.

    But Bush isn't running for president
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    With 3% reporting in TX Obama currently has a 9 point lead.

    RI has been called for Hillary. She's currently up by 7 points with 9% reporting
     
  15. thelasik

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    Texas and Ohio reporting back VERY slowly.
     
  16. mc mark

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    CNN is reporting that all the major urban areas of OH haven't reported yet, so I'm going to remain optimistic.
     
  17. Deckard

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    B-Bob, it wasn't just a "man on the street" Obama supporter. It was someone well known who's regularly on the media shows. Sadly, I can't remember the guy's name. I've been looking in CNN's web site, with no luck. Too much happening.



    Impeach Bush.
     
  18. Nice Rollin

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    Good to see that God boy, ned flanders, mike huckabee or whatever you wanna call him is finally done
     
  19. Desert_Rocket

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    On CNN they said Obama had to threaten a lawsuit agains Ohio just now because they were going to close the polls early un the urban areas due to weather. They agreed to keep them open later in Cleveland, but maybe not in Columbus.

    They also mentioned something shady was going on with the ballots.
     
  20. bigtexxx

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    Hillary closing the gap in Texas: now only a 7% lead with 5% reporting. Is HILLARITY ensuing? Obama supporters are hanging on for dear life!!!! Is it slipping away?
     

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