It's not about moving Brooks and Landry that matters, it's about who we would want is why they wont be moved. Dont over value Brooks and Landry those 2 players wont even net you a top 5 talent.
I see what your saying but I agree with HeyDude, why would we do all that? If it were strictly talent then yes that would stack us but it would be VERY redundant. I'll also say Scola for Butler won't do it, we would need more salary from our end and the Wiz would want a bit more then just Scola for them to rid of one of the their leaders which is why TMAC's contract is soooo valuable in this deal. Edit - Sorry saw your response, trading Ariza or/and Battier would be an option but wow that would be a lot of players doing the same thing.
That is false. Scola comes nowhere close to matching Butler's salary...and Feigan has said they would want a young chip in return anyway (Brooks, Bud, Landry). And there would be no point, from Washington's perspective, from taking on Battier or Ariza while giving up Butler. You'd have to throw in one of them to make it work ... or perhaps Cook and Hayes/Lowry, in which case I would not do it. There is also no indication that Mcgrady would land us both Dalembert and Iggy. I have a hard time seeing them not ask for something else. The fact of the matter is that a trade with Washington gives us more flexibility and nearly as much talent as a trade with Philly. I think it would be incredibly short-sighted to take on Iguodala, especially without knowing how soon and how well Yao is going to recover. If Yao comes back and gets seriously hurt once or twice more, it's time to look in a different direction ... in which case we'd be stuck with a good, yet overpaid player in Iggy. He's obviously not a premiere star that can carry a team by himself, either. With Butler, we can see how it goes with Yao next year, then have the flexibility to make some big changes if the worst case scenario happens with Yao. If Yao's back to 100%, then great. We either re-sign Butler or venture into the trade market for an upgrade.
No matter what team we do a trade with we are going to have to give up Landry or Scola, and depending on the money maybe bud or lowry. Adelman and Morey are just trying to figure out which ones we could possibly do without.
Actually i think Brooks and Landry is at an All-Time high in value. Once they land their next contracts that value will decline. To land a top 10 player you bet you'd have to move those two.
A lot of people see this as a positive. Personally, I kind of see this as a negative. Haywood is an expiring contract this off season, meaning he's going to want to get paid this summer. Big men have a tendency to get overpaid -- so if you're thinking you can re-sign Haywood for cheap you are mistaken. Trading for Caron Butler will have already put us over the salary cap. We would then have Scola, Lowry AND Haywood to re-sign -- I just don't see the Rockets entertaining the idea of re-signing Haywood. He's going to demand a bigger contract than Andersen/Hayes/Landry, his contract will extend past Yao's so if Yao can't come back 100%, you're stuck with an aging Haywood as your starting center for the 3 or so years after Yao's contract ends. The reality, IMO, is the Rockets would NOT re-sign Haywood. And the Rockets will NOT use him in a sign-in-trade. Who in their right mind would give up something valuable to sign Haywood? Most likely, the Rockets would have to take back longer contracts/crappier players if they entertain a sign-in-trade for Haywood. I just don't see them doing this option either. To me, this trade is simply Caron for McGrady. Haywood would be gone after this year and an insignificant piece to it when we look back at it. Ric Bucher named Dallas, Portland, Phoenix as making the best offers for Iguodala so far. I asked him if that meant the Rockets were out. He responded: I'd say there's some indication that Dalembert/Iggy is on the table. The rumor of Dalembert/Iggy/Lou for McGrady/Cook/Lowry also makes sense, since it would get Philly out of Lou's contract as well and give the Rockets a backup PG so they wouldn't have to fight for Lowry's services this summer.
we don't need a top 10 player though, when Yao comes back and say we get a good SG and backup C along with most of what we have already, then we'll be set. None of the players we are looking at getting aren't top 10 players. You can make an argument for Iggy but he's not, I would say that if we really wanted major role players to put around Yao that could create for themselvs when needed, we should try and trade for Anthony Morrow and Ronny Turiaf (as a backup for Yao)
This is simply not true. We'd be under a $50M cap without Scola/Lowry but with Butler next season, and $50M is a very low estimate for what the cap will be. It'll probably be around $54M instead. We'd only have $47-$48M tied up if we traded McGrady for Butler+expirings. See: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5072210&postcount=12 Re-signing Lowry/Scola while keeping Butler would be easy and we'd be nowhere near the luxury tax, either. Haywood wouldn't really be a necessary addition once Yao is back, so I agree, keeping him or using him in a sign-and-trade isn't likely, but he's not really the point of a trade with Washington; he's just an added bonus that will help protect the paint this season.
I'm simply stating people over value Brooks and Landry and actually we wont be set with just an Iggy or Butler move. So who are top ten players? Of those top ten you'd stay away from point guards and neither Brooks or Landry is enough to make them bite. Basically what i said you're saying it the same in a different context. This team needs 4 top 50 players or 3 top 25 players to be set thats reality.
This. There is really no downside to the Washington trade except that Butler is having a semi off year. But you would hope its a motivation thing with all the losing and crisis going on over there and that he <i>should </i> be able to turn it around for a good team. This is a guy who averaged 21, 6, and 4.3 last year! And he's still 29.
Yup. This is the reason why I think Rockets prefer the Butler trade over the Iggy proposal. Butler's contract allows Rockets to keep the team together (Scola & Lowry). Iggy's deal means you're probably losing one or both.
BimaThug has continually said that McGrady's expiring would leave us with around ~7million in cap space. Caron Butler is set to make $10,561,960 next year, according to HoopsHype. I don't see how we wouldn't be over the cap? Even if we were 1-2 million under the cap, that would be worse. You can't use the MLE unless you're over the cap, so only being a few million under would work against us. You have a couple people conflicting your numbers, one here whose the resident capologist. I don't have the time to check your numbers or run them myself, but I'm inclined to believe Bima until it's proven he was mistaken. He's repeatedly said McGrady's expiring leaves us with ~7million, and Caron makes ~10 million next year, so I just don't see how we'd be under the cap? EDIT: I see what you did. You forgot to include the salary holds against the Rockets. The Rockets would have to renounce the rights to Haywood, Lowry, AND Scola under your scenario for them to have that. If you renounce them, they are no longer RFA and can sign with anyone. So it's unrealistic to think you would be able to renounce them AND re-sign them.
Did you read my post I linked? I actually used the numbers on HoopsHype, too. Let me know if there's something wrong with my math, not just "but BimaThug said so".
