[Marc Stein] Houston Rockets could join Chris Bosh chase

bosh and yao ? two guys you can't go to in crunch time. i don't like it

 

No way would I give up both Landry and Brooks for a guys that might bolt at the end of the season.

 

Net trade of McGrady + Landry/Brooks for Jared Jeffries + Chris Bosh...

eh...

I don't know what a max deal for Bosh would be...I'm going to assume $17.5 million. Assuming you do that trade and add no rookie or MLE in the offseason, next year's salary, including Bosh and Jeffries, a resigned Lowry at $3 million becomes, Dorsey let go and Hayes picked up = $66 - $67 million (depending on whether Landry or Brooks is lost) If you resigned Scola at $6.5 million, which might not be necessary, you're at $72.5 - $73.5 million.

The lineup is (let's assume Landry is traded and Scola then IS resigned - salary = $72.5 million) -

PG: Brooks, Lowry
SG: Ariza, Budinger, Taylor
SF: Battier, Jeffries
PF: Bosh, Scola
C: Yao, Andersen, Hayes

Pretty solid line-up, true, though you are paying luxury tax.

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If the following trades were available, I think they'd be preferable.

Trade 1 = Battier, Scola, Hayes, Cook to Toronto for Bosh
Trade 2 = McGrady, Taylor to Sixers for Iggy, Dalembert

Again, assume Lowry resigned at $3 million, Dorsey let go, no new rookie or MLE, Bosh resigned at $17.5 million. I don't know Dalmbert's exact trade kicker, but I'm going to assume hsi salary would be $14.5 million next year. The salary for the team is then at $78.5 million, and the line up becomes.

PG: Brooks, Lowry
SG: Iggy, Budinger
SF: Ariza, Battier
PF: Bosh, Landry
C: Yao, Andersen, Dalembert

This ties back into your other thread, and again understanding Dalembert, ESPECIALLY with that trade kicker, really is overpaid. Here you're salary would be, apples to apples (no MLE addition or rookie added) is $6 million more, and since paying luxury tax, is that another $12 million on top of it? So you pay an extra $18 million.

But I think the first line-up still needs a 2/3 that can create his own shot effectively.

Those trades probably aren't available, of course, but if they were, do you think lineup 2 is worth $18 million more? I do. I think lineup 2 goes out and wins you a championship, and then the following year Yao is resigned for less, Landry is resigned for more (nets out), Dalembert comes off the books, you are probably right at the luxury tax line and I think still can compete for championships.

 

Yes it would be smart to trade something your afraid of losing for something that can be kept and re-signed.

I tried:

Toronto Gets
Scola
Battier
Cook

Houston Gets
Bosh
(protected 1st round) *shrug*

Straight up and it worked, but would that be a worth while deal for the Raptors to naw at?

Maybe add a 1st round pick to their side and its a done deal, my thinking. :grin:

 

Scola, Brooks, Budinger, Cook, Battier, 3m cash, 2nd rd pick for Weems, Jack, Bosh?
Idk, trades not involving Tmac are going to be hard to get Bosh. It depends if the Rockets are willing to give up a lot for Bosh (Brooks and Landry).

 

They will ask for both and honestly I can't see them doing it without including both. Calderon is a nice PG that is WAY OVERPAID but still better then just a bad contract. I would think Morey gets it done and signs Bosh to an extension before its done but according to Stein they are willing to do without. I think a wildcard in all this is Ariza, long term deal who is young enough that it might interest them.

 

Exactly. The biggest risk in this move isn't whether or not Bosh will be worth whoever we give up, but whether or not Bosh will even BE AROUND to entertain those comparisons.
There's a very good reason other teams aren't putting all their chips on the table, and unless we can get away with a high reward/low risk move (ie keeping Brooks, Landry), it's not going to be worth it.
I mean, weren't there talks about Bosh wanting to go to NYK to join LBJ?

 

My bad added the pick to the wrong team. :grin:

 

All this talk about Bosh bolting makes me think. If we trade for him, don't we get his bird rights and we can go over the cap to resign him? It won't matter, right?

 

Correcto. That would be the point of getting him. Not only that, but he DOES have a player option which he could potentially exercise.

 

1. Scola/Ariza/Budinger/Cook

for

Bosh/Weems


2. trade McLady/Dorsey

for

Butler/Miller/James

3. sign Wafer


THUS:
Brooks/Lowry/James
Butler/Miller/Wafer/Taylor
Battier/Weems
Bosh/Landry
Hayes/Andersen


Yes.Please.

 

Yes, also we would be able to offer MORE than anyone else which would also give us a huge advantage in resigning him.

 

Championship teams have IQ, have smartness, experience, height, rebounding. You gain all of that with this trade.

Landry and Brooks are 2 good-very good scorers, but consider other things. They are undersized. They don't make you a better rebounding team, in fact they make you a worst team at rebounding. They only give you scoring offensively, Calderon is a pure PG, very smart, very experienced. With Bosh + Andersen you gain a lot of height at the PF position, that's more rebounding and more defense. Often, you don't defend better the Brandon Roy's with Ariza's and Battier's but with your big men's height. Scola+Landry+Hayes have 0 capacity of intimidation. I love them but they limit you too much. Contender teams aren't made with Scolandry combos. I repeat I love them, but you have to be realistic, and to add a Calderon + Bosh pack, would be very beneficial for this team.

Bosh fits great here. Fits with Yao and fits with Adelman's offense, he's a very dangerous high post player. Calderon reads very good the offense, the cuts, the movement, he's always solid, he's is a good passer and a good shooter... that's what ths team will need with Yao's comeback.

It's my humble opinion, I would do that trade, and I think Raptors would do it too.

 

I certainly think it's a workable foundation for a deal.

 

Lets say we gut the team for Bosh.

Instead of being a team with a bunch of role players and no one to build around, we become a team with a star and a few role players.

Hell yea! Role players are much easier to find, DO IT MOREY


PS. Scolandry does not > Bosh, Lowrooks does not > CP3, its bloody ridiculous, won't even go into detail as to why, but if you justify not trading for Bosh/CP3 because 2 of our players combined, playing around 20 more minutes are nearly matching Bosh/Cp3's production, you are r****ded

 

you mean yao/bosh/ariza/igoudala/brooks

 

Anyone not including at least Landry in a proposed deal is not thinking straight. I think you can get away with Landry + Battier, and filler but that's about it. Toronto knows that Bosh can walk at the end of the season, but he's likely more inclined to let them sign and trade him in order to guarantee a max contract.

While I love Landry's attitude, work ethic, and overall game I don't think you pass up on Bosh if the above trade is all it takes to get it done.

 

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjm7687


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2009 nba finals.

 

And ofcourse you give them Landry if they want him.

Landry dreams he could be as good as Bosh was last season..

While Bosh is younger, better, and hasn't hit his prime yet...hmm harder choice?

As long as we can secure Bosh long term this would be a no brainer.

 

I say don't get him now, wait for tmacs contract to expire then try and land bosh in the free agent market. Then trade for a 2. We wouldn't have to give up landry or scola. We would give up chuck and Anderson