At first when steve was averaging bigger numbers than marbury was, everyone was saying that francis was better then marbury. Recently Francis' numbers went down due to the his back problems in about a 4 or 5 game stretch. Now marbury is better then francis? IMHO francis is a better player...Nba.com stats Francis..... PPG 22.2 RPG 6.1 APG 6.1 SPG 1.75 BPG .51 FG% .439 FT% .806 3P% .381 MPG 41.6 Marbury..... PPG 23.3 RPG 3.2 APG 8.3 SPG 1.35 BPG .25 FG% .442 FT% .795 3P% .324 MPG 40.6 I wouldnt take marbury over steve.
I don't think that either is much better than the other skillwise, but I wouldn't take Marbury over Francis in a million years. You always have to consider the bonehead factor. Read: Marbury talking about: Kevin Garnett, Yao Ming, Steve Francis.
How much does Marbury make? More than Francis? Just wondering... And by the way... Shawn Marion is way better than Cuttino Mobley or James Posey. But Cuttino Mobley is better than Joe Johnson or Anfernee Hardaway. Amare Stoudemire is better than Eddie Griffin. But Maurice Taylor is better than Tom Gugliotta. Yao Ming is better than Jake Tsakaladis or Bo Outlaw or whoever the hell. He is also better than Amare Stoudemire. Our teams are pretty even. We both have pretty good teams. And we have many similarities. Just wait and watch tomorrow's game....the last game between the Houston Rockets and Pheonix Suns at the Compaq Center in Houston, Texas. It will determine who will make the playoffs...who will be the Rookie of the Year...and who the real All Star is. And who is the better team...
Better yet, Cato got so pissed off that he gave Marbury an elbow that punchs his nose down his throat which end Marbury's season tomorrow. That SOB deserves a lesson.
As a point guard, Marbury is better than Francis. As an overall player, you could probably make a good argument that Marbury gets the edge. But I still wouldn't take Marbury over Francis. He's what people in sports likes to call a "cancer."
Francis Vs Marbury for the throne of 'Franchise' Yao Vs Stoudemire for the ROY Rockets Vs Suns for the 8th seed playoff spot WOW WOW WOW WHAT A GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree that Marbury is a titanic ass. You won't find many people willing to trade for him. He'll never be a leader that takes his team to the championships. Francis still has that potential down the road..
And Francis hasn't thrown a fit and demanded a trade because of jealosy (Garnett). And he has never been traded by a team that went to the finals, led by his replacement (Kidd). The guy has always been a malcontent, selfish player who's talent and numbers haven't meant anything in the standings. Hopefully he has grown up because Marbury/Amare/Marion vs. Francis/Yao/Mobley could be a great matchup for years to come.
Would you want to play for the Grizz? Look at their past #1 picks: Reeves-retired Reef-traded ATL Daniels-traded 2 or 3 times Bibby-traded SAC Gooden-traded ORL Gasol, Swift, and Battier are the only players who haven't escaped yet. My point was Steve has never given up on his team. He has stuck with us through the rough times and seems determined to bring better days, rather than run to greener pastures or shirk responsibility.
what?? no, i think francis is definitely better!! Marbury is only better in ast avg, their ppg is about the same(it goes up and down). and francis is almost better in EVERYOTHER category!! and also Marbury will never driving and tryin to dunk on KC, b/c marbury cant even touch the rim
I'd take Francis. Don't get me wrong, Marbury is having a career year this season and has been playing out of his mind since the All-Star break. But even with that, according to nba.com he still trails Stevie in NBA effeciency -- which I guess is what is used to measure production. Steve, IMO, is a better all-around player who's developing each game @ getting his teammates more involved as a PG. His FG attempts are @ a career-low 16.7 FGA per game; Marbury averages just under 20 (that's SG-like). Despite this difference of about three shots per game, Francis only trails Marbury in points by about one per (22.2 - 23.3). Francis is a better rebounder, better shooter from three, better shooter from the foul-line, plays better D (or avg more steals, whichever way you look @ it). And lastly, like many of you have already stated, Marbury comes with "me-myself-and I" baggage. He couldn't handle playing with a stud like KG -- where he would've been Robin to Garnett's Batman -- so he walked. Then got traded again b/c that team (New Jersey) didn't want his selfish attitude/play. I mean, lets put that in context. What Marbury did in MIN would be the equivalent of Francis saying to HOU mngt., "Trade me! I don't want to play for the Rox (with Yao Ming) b/c.... (and come up with some excuse like wanting to play on the East Coast)" But we would all know it'd b/c of selfish reasons. And keep in mind, it's taken Marbury seven seasons to "turn the corner according to some." Francis is in his fourth season and it can already be argued he's better. So I you can also say the ceiling is higher for Francis than it is for Marbury.
I have a hard time to decide who's better gamewise, but I wouldn't use efficiency rating to decide who's a better all around player. For example, Ben Wallace isn't an all around player, but he gets ahead of Francis and Gary Payton in efficiency rating just because he grabs tons of rebounds and blocks shots. Also, Marbury is only 1 point behind Francis which isn't very statistically significant. Ok, let's just say 1 point is important for the sake of argument. Still, the efficiency rating is a little skewed in Francis favor with its formula. ((PTS + REB + AST + STL + BLK) - ((FGA - FGM) + (FTA - FTM) + TO)) / G Rebounds are placed at the same weight of assists in this formula. It works towards Francis' favor as he grabs about 3 more rebounds than Marbury but averages 2 less assists. In actual games, an assist is far more important than a rebound. An assist means two or three points and better involvement of teammates. One gets one assist by setting up a teammate several times. A rebound leads to three things, a turnover, a missed shot or a made shot. To place a rebound in the same breath of an assist is ridiculous. That's why Ben Wallace has a shot at climbing up so high on the chart. P.S Marbury is an idiot.
Way to manipulate statistics... 2nd of all Marbury has had two of the best dunks from a PG ever. He can't touch the rim? He can do it easily. He had an alley oop , Amare 2 Marbury this season and if you saw the game against the Kings... Marbury faked right on B. Jackson, and cut baseline left where he caught an alley-oop from Penny, brought it down under the arms of Webber, came around the other side of the basket and tried to throw down a reverse slam. That would have been THE PLAY of the season had it gone down. He just doesn't dunk very often because he is playing on bad ankles the whole season and that's why he lays it in most of the time. No question Marbury is having definately a better season than Francis. He is the better playmaker, scorer, defender and leader. Selfish, cancer? He has never been like that in Phoenix.
Marbury isn't having a career yr, those are pretty much his normal numbers. Since his NY type attitude and his forced trade away from Minny, he has been labeled a malcontentent, but he's a very,very good pg. His understanding of the pg position is light yr ahead Francis and he played a lot of 2 guard in college also. As players they're pretty even. People will say Francis is the better athelete, but Marbury, because he doesn't dunk on people is atheletic also. Its really pretty even between the two.
yayayaya.....we all know he can barely dunk! ok??? (w. 32inch vertical?) i know hes having career NUMBERS since all star, i guess thats way suns lost most of the games since allstar! happy?
Marbury isn't having a career year? Funny. If you ask most GMs/basketball "experts" they'll tell you Marbury is having his best season as a pro; he's finally figured "it" out and is making that NJ-PHX trade look less and less one-sided in Jersey's favor. Oh, and your claim that Steph's understanding of the PG position is "light-years" ahead of Francis is funny considering Marbury averages almost 20 FGA per game -- very SG-like -- while Stevie takes 16.5 shots per. Marbury is a better PG statistically, sure. But to say he's light-years ahead of him is incorrect. Oh, and shouldn't Marbury have a better understanding of the PG position being that this is his SEVENTH season in the NBA and Francis' FOURTH?
will there be a rivalry between the 2 teams? i don't think so. as long as yao is playing for the rox, the rockets will not only beat but dominate the phx suns. suns does not have a player that can stop yao.
"Steve: 22.2 ppg 6.0 rpg 1.69 spg .48 bpg .436 fg% .803 ft% .374 3p% 41.7 mpg Marbury: 23.3 ppg 3.2 rpg 8.3 apg 1.35 spg .25 bpg .442 fg% .795 ft% .324 3p% " You for one important stat. Persanality, I think Steve has got the edge on that one.
