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mar1juana Reform Approaches the Tipping Point

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by GladiatoRowdy, May 6, 2009.

  1. Tom Bombadillo

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    Check this out JLEW...

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    If weed is a "gateway" drug, Why is one of the most addictive drugs (nicotine) not a "gateway" drug?
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

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    I quoted a lot of scientific evidence, not predictions, studies.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

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    That is specious reasoning. That is like (borrowing from the Simpsons) saying that I have a rock that keeps tigers away. The evidence for this is the fact that I possess the rock and there are no tigers anywhere in my vicinity.

    Intellectual dishonesty is what that is.
     
  4. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

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    I'll find you MILLIONS who have tried weed but never any other illegal drug. What does that prove? Nothing.

    Please do some research and listen to facts, not propaganda.
     
  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Can I buy your rock?
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

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    That is how it always is with the crowd that supports prohibition. Specious reasoning, factual ignorance, and intellectual dishonesty are all they have.
     
  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    The best article I have ever read on the subject was written by William F. Buckley, a conservative co-founder of The National Review.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/12feb96/drug.html

    The piece was written over 13 years ago and is still one of the best treatises for ending the drug war that I have ever read.
     
  8. GladiatoRowdy

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    The best reason to "add weed to the situation" is because of the tremendous harm that prohibition causes and the massive outlays of money required to keep it illegal.
     
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    Since the rest of the article you quoted was garbage (anecdotal evidence), I will deal with this.

    Young people are indeed the people most at risk in this debate. They are the ones being hurt by the fact that as a result of our drug policy, they can get mar1juana more easily than alcohol (University of Minnesota study). We need to keep our kids from getting drugs because age of first use is one of the markers that is correlated with problem drug use. The earlier one starts using psychoactives, the more likey they are to experience problem usage.

    In Holland, where mar1juana is tolerated, adult usage rates are statistically the same as in the US. However, teen use of the drug is HALF what we see here.
     
  10. GladiatoRowdy

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    Now you are just lying. There is no such thing as a "toxic dose" of mar1juana, nor is there anything analogous to an overdose, unless you are actually allergic.

    Basketball is "not essential for a normal and healthy functional society." Do you propose banning that next?


    I propose that such a person would go to jail under the same DUI laws as those who drink before driving. That is, of course, assuming the pot smoker is going more than 4 MPH.

    I am sorry for your loss, but 800,000 people a year lose their freedom over a drug that is far less harmful than ASPIRIN.

    Irony, thy name is JLEW.

    You are exactly right. Some people can smoke it successfully and some cannot. However, legislating based on the tiny percentage of people who cannot responsibly smoke pot is stupid.

    People have been smoking and otherwise ingesting pot for thousands of years. What exactly is "not normal" about pot? Tens of millions of people just in the US smoke pot. How is that "not normal?"
     
  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    Reasonable regulation FTW!!!
     
  12. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

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    No, by and large, law enforcement officers are against the drug war, but can't say it on the record.

    www.leap.cc
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    That'll be one meelion dollars!

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  14. Major

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    Andy - I was discussing this with friends recently, and one question we had was about the "gateway" aspect of pot. Not in the traditional sense that it's might be a gateway to harder drugs, but the idea that people do it *because* it's illegal - ie, that part of the allure of pot is that it's rebellious. And if it were legal and no longer rebellious, people would move onto something else that's rebellious (a harder drug) as a result. We have no idea what role (if any) this might play, but our thoughts were mostly focused on young people.

    Do you know if there's any research on this type of thing?
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    I don't think so, but the evidence in Holland doesn't support such a claim. Teen use of all illicit drugs is about half what we see here, even though mar1juana is tolerated and other drugs are not.

    I agree that there is a lot to find out about this issue and I further agree that scientific research is the best way to get this information. However, we cannot get that scientific evidence if our policy is prohibition. The numbers just aren't reliable in a world where the subject being studied is criminalized.
     
  16. VooDooPope

    VooDooPope Love > Hate

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    Keep fighting the good fight Andy.... errr... Gladiator
     
  17. sammy

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    I've always heard that it's easier for teenagers to score "pot" than to buy ciggs or alcohol. That could be a legitimate reason.
     
  18. MisterPink

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    JLEW - I mean no offense by this, but reading your posts reminds me of every silly thing I've ever heard from the anti-mar1juana camp. You are entitled your opinion, but I encourage you to reread this thread.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with changing your opinion on something; I consider it a sign of maturity.
     
  19. DrewP

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    he's just trolling.

    He copied and pasted one of his posts directly from another website (press control f and type "i tried") and then backtracked moments later. probably because he realized it was too obvious.

    We are all guilty of feeding the troll
     
  20. Lil Pun

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    JLEW or who?
     

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