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mar1juana Reform Approaches the Tipping Point

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  1. GladiatoRowdy

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    Feature: mar1juana Reform Approaches the Tipping Point

    http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/583/marijuana_reform_at_tipping_point

    Sometime in the last few months, the notion of legalizing mar1juana crossed an invisible threshold. Long relegated to the margins of political discourse by the conventional wisdom, pot freedom has this year gone mainstream.

    The potential flu pandemic and President Obama's 100th day in office may have knocked mar1juana off the front pages this week, but so far this year, the issue has exploded in the mass media, impelled by the twin forces of economic crisis and Mexican violence fueled by drug prohibition. A Google news search for the phrase "legalize mar1juana" turned up more than 1,100 hits -- and that's just for the month of April.

    It has been helped along by everything from the Michael Phelps non-scandal to the domination of mar1juana legalization questions in the Change.gov questions, which prompted President Obama to laugh off the very notion, to the economy, to the debate over the drug war in Mexico. But it has also been ineffably helped along by the lifting of the oppressive burden of Bush administration drug war dogma. There is a new freedom in the air when it comes to mar1juana.

    Newspaper columnists and editorial page writers from across the land have taken up the cause with gusto, as have letter writers and bloggers. Last week, even a US senator got into the act, when Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) told CNN that mar1juana legalization is "on the table."

    But despite the seeming explosion of interest in mar1juana legalization, the actual fact of legalization seems as distant as ever, a distant vision obscured behind a wall of bureaucracy, vested interests, and craven politicians. Drug War Chronicle spoke with some movement movers and shakers to find out just what's going on... and what's not.

    "There is clearly more interest and serious discussion of whether mar1juana prohibition makes any sense than I've seen at any point in my adult lifetime," said Bruce Mirken, communications director for the mar1juana Policy Project. "It's not just the usual suspects; it's people like Jack Cafferty on CNN and Senator Jim Webb, as well as editorial pages and columnists across the country."

    Mirken cited a number of factors for the sudden rise to prominence of the mar1juana issue. "I think it's a combination of things: Michael Phelps, the horrible situation on the Mexican border, the state of the economy and the realization that there is a very large industry out there that provides mar1juana to millions of consumers completely outside the legal economy that is untaxed and unregulated," he said. "All of these factors have come together in a way that makes it much easier for people to connect the dots."
    "Things started going white hot in the second week of January," said Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of mar1juana Laws (NORML). "We had the fallout from the Michael Phelps incident, the Change.gov mar1juana question to Obama and his chuckling response, we have the Mexico violence, we have the economic issues," he counted. "All of these things have helped galvanize a certain zeitgeist that is palpable and that almost everyone can appreciate."

    "The politicians are still very slow on picking up on the desires of citizens no matter how high the polling numbers go, especially on decriminalization and medical mar1juana," said St. Pierre. "The polling numbers are over 70% for those, and support for legalization nationwide is now at about 42%, depending on which data set you use. Everything seems to be breaking for reform in these past few weeks, and I expect those numbers to only go up."
    "It feels like we're reaching the tipping point," said Amber Langston, eastern region outreach director for Students for Sensible Drug Policy. "I've been feeling that for a couple of months now. The Michael Phelps incident sent a clear message that you can be successful and still have used mar1juana. He's still a hero to lots of people," she said.

    "I think we're getting close now," said Langston. "We have moved the conversation to the next level, where people are actually taking this seriously and we're not just having another fear-based discussion."

    "There is definitely momentum building around mar1juana issues," said Denver-based Mason Tvert, executive director of SAFER (Safer Alternatives for Enjoyable Recreation), which has built a successful strategy around comparing alcohol and mar1juana. "Yet we still find ourselves in a situation where change is not happening. Up until now, people have made arguments around criminal justice savings, other economic benefits, ending the black market -- those things have got us to where we are today, but they haven't been enough to get elected officials to act," he argued.

    "The problem is that there are still far too many people who see mar1juana as so harmful it shouldn't be legalized," Tvert continued. "That suggests we need to be doing more to address the relative safety of mar1juana, especially compared to drugs like alcohol. The good arguments above will then carry more weight. Just as a concerned parent doesn't want to reap the tax benefits of legal heroin, it's the same with mar1juana. The mantra is why provide another vice. What we're saying is that we're providing an alternative for the millions who would prefer to use mar1juana instead of alcohol."
    With the accumulation of arguments for legalization growing ever weightier, the edifice of mar1juana prohibition seems increasingly shaky. "mar1juana prohibition has become like the Soviet Empire circa 1987 or 1988," Mirken analogized. "It's an empty shell of a policy that continues only because it is perceived as being huge and formidable, but when the perception changes, the whole thing is going to collapse."

    Still, translating the zeitgeist into real change remains a formidable task, said Mirken. "It is going to take hard work. All of us need to keep finding ways to keep these discussions going in the media, we need to work with open-minded legislators to get bills introduced where there can be hearings to air the facts and where we can refute the nonsense that comes from our opponents. Keeping the debate front and center is essential," he said.
    Mirken is waiting for the other shoe to drop. "We have to prepared for an empire strikes back moment," he said. "I predict that within the next year, there will be a concerted effort to scare the daylights out of people about mar1juana."

    Activists need to keep hammering away at both the federal government and state and local governments, Mirken said. "We are talking to members of Congress and seeing what might be doable. Even if nothing passes immediately, introducing a bill can move the discussion forward, but realistically, things are more likely to happen at the state and local level," he said, citing the legalization bill in California and hinting that MPP would try legalization in Nevada again.

    Part of the problem of the mismatch between popular fervor and actual progress on reform is partisan positioning, said St. Pierre. "Even politicians who may be personally supportive and can appreciate what they see going on around them as this goes mainstream do not want to hand conservative Republicans a triangulation issue. The Democrats are begging for a certain degree of political maturity from the reform movement," he said. "They're dealing with two wars, tough economic times, trying to do health care reform. They don't want to raise cannabis to a level where it becomes contentious for Obama."

    The window of opportunity for presidential action is four years down the road, St. Pierre suggested. "If Obama doesn't do anything next year, they will then be in reelection mode and unlikely to act," he mused. "I think our real shot comes after he is reelected. Then we have two years before he becomes a lame duck."

    But we don't have to wait for Obama, said St. Pierre. "We expect Barney Frank and Ron Paul to reintroduce decriminalization and medical mar1juana bills," he said. "I don't think they will pass this year, but we might get hearings, although I don't think that's likely until the fall."

    It's not just that politicians need to understand that supporting mar1juana legalization will not hurt them -- they need to understand that standing its way will. "The politicians aren't feeling the pain of being opposed to remain," St. Pierre said. "We have to take out one of those last remaining drug war zealots."
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    There used to be a guy who posted around here in an obsessive way about... oh, hi.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    I think that it will be Obama's next term that will allow him to make actual progress on this issue. There are still plenty of people who think that mar1juana is a more dangerous drug than alcohol (which is patently false) and if the Dems try to go after this now, they know it could end up biting them in the a$$ in 2012.

    For those of you who are against drug law reform, please begin your response with anything based on science that might show that mar1juana is more dangerous than alcohol (I am looking at you, t_j). If you begin with anything else, you will have effectively ceded this debate to me. TIA
     
  4. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.

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    andymoon should be here any moment, I can't wait!
     
  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    lol. I don't know about the "obsessive" part, but I used to post a lot on this issue, to be sure. This is the first article in a while that was new threadworthy.
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    Here already, thanks!
     
  7. MadMax

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    how do i know that's really you?

    say something.
     
  8. juicystream

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    Lets make alcohol illegal then. Can't have these dangerous drugs running around...

    Ohhh, that already tried that. :p

    Being serious though. I would vote for the legalization, but it isn't a big issue in my mind, probably because I don't smoke it.
     
  9. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.

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    Just kidding you.

    I am against all these new fangled name changes.

    That goes for you too, grogglux.
     
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    Schwarzenegger: Time for Legal mar1juana Debate

    The governor was asked about a recent Field Poll showing that 56 percent of registered voters support legalizing and taxing mar1juana to raise revenues for cash-strapped California. Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, has proposed legislation that would legalize the drug for recreational use, rather than just medical purposes.

    "Well, I think it's not time for that, but I think it's time for a debate," Schwarzenegger said. "I think all of those ideas of creating extra revenues, I'm always for an open debate on it. And I think we ought to study very carefully what other countries are doing that have legalized mar1juana and other drugs, what effect did it have on those countries?"
     
  12. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Contributing Member

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    How about this...

    Though we may never agree completely on the abortion debate, I believe that if given the power, you and I could come up with a perfectly reasonable compromise.
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    I knew when I came here that there was a moniker just waiting for me, it just took six years for it to make itself clear to me!
     
  14. MadMax

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    hmmmm...that sounds a lot like what you THINK andy would say in that situation.....i'll be keeping an eye out.
     
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    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    you love it.
     
  16. GladiatoRowdy

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    ROFL!
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    The article (sourced from "stopthedrugwar.org"...) really sounds like a puff piece to me - pun intended.


    Two questions

    1) What is defined as progress on this issue?
    2) Do public opinion polls favor legalization of mar1juana?
     
  18. mc mark

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    RIF

    The governor was asked about a recent Field Poll showing that 56 percent of registered voters support legalizing and taxing mar1juana to raise revenues for cash-strapped California.
     
  19. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.

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    I'm no expert, but I'll give my two cents.

    1) Public discourse/attention... this is an issue that does not suffer from being in the spotlight. Just like gay marriage I am willing to bet the more thought is given to it the more successful its legalization campaigns will be.

    2) No idea. But I wonder if the bad economy is making people realize that we can't be throwing away so much money regulating drugs anymore.
     
  20. Mr. Clutch

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    I don't think Obama will waste political capital on this.
     

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