It got turned into that because Lee wanted Boki to play since Okur and Manu are playing. I don't know much about Okur so I can't talk about him much. I am comparing Manu to Boki because I am trying to show how Manu is NBA-ready and Boki simply is not. If he was then he would be playing. Manu is playing because he is ready to play. It would be pointless to put Boki out there just for the hell of it if he isn't ready. I mean it would be like calling a guy up from the minors in baseball long before he was ready and just throwing him out there and watching him strikeout a ton or get shelled by the hitters. It doesn't serve as a learning experience and it only serves to embarrass the player if he isn't ready to play.
Man that would suck! From what I've seen Boki has really good moves! He just needs pt to prove it (for the fans).
Lee I just checked out those clips of him. Listen I don't want it to seem like I am just hating on the guy and trying to give him no credit, but if you watch those clips EVERYONE looks fast and amazing. Hell whoever that bald guy was looked pretty good too. Edny looked good too. The thing you have to notice with that style of basketball is NO ONE played any sort of defense. I mean it was a freaking joke. Boki did not stand out in those clips either. The times when he did look like he had decent speed was when he was in the open court or had no one on him. I never saw him shake someone so he could get an open shot. It seemed like no one there had blazing speed like you see in the NBA....that is why those guys aren't in the NBA. The teams may play at a much faster pace than in the NBA, however that doesn't mean they are faster players. Anyhow, there was one drive Boki had that was nice, but at the same time the guys that he drove on just let him fly right by. No one tried to step in front to get a charge or anything. Those clips were fun to watch and it looked like those would have been some crazy games to be at. However, they didn't prove anything to me. Hell now that I've looked that at them closer I feel worse about Boki. When I watched those the first time around the draft I was thinking this is badass Boki is gonna be a nice player to have. But now I realize that everyone looks good i those clips and everyone looks like they have blazing speed when that just isn't the reality.
Quit your non-stop Boki bashing. He is by far the least of our worries at this point and I actually think that you are way off base anyway with your rambling on and on about how bad you are feeling about Nachbar... Just add your name to the list of anti-Boki bandwagoners and we will let the chips fall where they may!
Christ man am I not allowed to criticize a player? What does this thread have to do with our other problems? Nothing. Why do you feel I am off base? Is there something you have seen that I haven't? Can you disagree with me on the fact that everyone looked amazing in those clips? Did you even read anything I said about me not wanting to sound like I am just hating on the guy? Because I am not...just because I am talking about what I think the guy looked like when he was in game doesn't mean I am a basher. Do you think Rudy would just let Boki languish on his bench if he thought the guy could contribute? Am I a "Boki-basher" for saying the guy wasn't "NBA-ready" this year? Was any point in time when Boki did get a chance to play that made you think 'Hey this guy should really be playing more minutes'? I don't mean more minutes just to give him minutes, but more minutes because he has earned them. Try reading everything I write and not just a few words about how I am concerned that Boki may not be this player he was hyped to be. Hell, its people like you who go off of what the little NBA draft analysis people said about Boki being NBA-ready and use that to continue to be the basis for him getting more minutes, but completely bash them on what they said about Yao being a big project and a bust. The pre-draft reports are the only thing you are basing Boki's game on. Is it obvious that he did not live up to them? Didn't they try to bring Yao along slowly but they realized that he was already good enough to start playing? Don't you think if Boki was good enough to start playing like Yao was then he would have played more?
Robbie, its ok man. Just add your name to the list of doubters while I will take some chalk and add my name to the list of believers in Boki. The BIB's is what I will call it for short!
Well not to be mean. But you never know! I know Tito Maddox sucks. So does Moochie Norris. But Terence Morris and Bostjan Nachbar should have at least gotten to play or start or something. Bostjan only played garbage time... It's because Rudy is loyal to Glen Rice and gives him the minutes..he's the vet.....whatever he wants. Like on the Suns. I don't know.....but did Amare get to play much in the beginning? Most people didn't even realize he was good....until Gugliotta got injured. Then he got his chance to play.....and excelled VERY WELL. If you are a Boki supporter....hopefully Glen gets injured. Just watch the summer leagues.....
What I don't get is...... Boki was only averaging like 3 ppg in his first season in EUROPE. And he improved a lot and was averaging like 14ppg.... But still...only 14 ppg in EUROPE? How could he be any better.... And his range is not as deep as Stojakovic... Well then he can't shoot 3's? I just hope he's good.
I was actually thinking along the same lines as leebigez midway in the season as San Antonio continued to build their winning season of 60 wins. I noticed that, instead of playing Steve Smith, someone who was billed as next coming of Magic Johnson, the Spurs used players such Stephen Jackson and Manuel Ginobili. And the Spurs were successful in choosing to field these players because they played well. So I asked myself, didn't the Rockets draft a Slovenian or some European player who distinguished himself in the European league he played in? And why give old Glen Rice more playing time just because he has a big contract when we could be playing a young and possibly very talented B. Nachbar? I figured, well, someone would be bound to start a thread on the topic anyway. So here it is. Ya, let's try Nachbar for once, huh? C'mon the Rockets drafted him and just let him sit on the bench. Now I know why J. Collier was so frustrated in the Rockets for lack of playing time. I'm no Collier fan, but I'm not exactly sure about Rudy Tomjanovich's decisions to bench potentially very good basketball players.
I am with you Lee! Nobody can criticize Boki when he has only 77mins of PT. I dont care if he is lightning in a bottle or moves at the speed of Larry Bird. He needs PT in order to find how he fits. Boki has upside, Glenn Rice is Steve Smith(which means he should be on the bench) We know what TMo has to offer which isnt much. I hate to say it but Boki is going to have a hard time on this selfish team anyway, he may never get comfortable b/c he will never know when to expect a pass coming his way. If Boki was elsewhere he would already be contributing.
I'll use this as a point of reference. The Kings Drafted Peja in 96 as a 19yr ols, but he didn't join the team till 98.He played in 48 of 50 games and a 1000 plus minutes for a team trying to make the playoffs. At the time they Had corliss williamson avg13pts per game while peja was at 8.4 and 38%. The next season, he and Corliss split time at the 3 while Corliss started, Peja played more minutes and avg 11ppg. The next season, Corliss was in Det and Peja was avg 20ppg. The thing about the international players is that they are more developed than college seniors fundementally. Thats why every team has expanded its scouting so much because these 18-19 yr old come over more polished about the game of basketball than our players. We are talking about a 22 yrs old player in Nachbar who kept a lotto pick,Nichloz , off the floor in Europe. Even though I've always like his game, but when Prince and some of these other rookies who were not even lotto picks plays more than a 22yr euro, then something isn't right. I've never said that he was the next Peja or even the next Gasol, I was just amamzed that how excited they were to get a nba ready type of slashing ,mid range shooting 3, but then during the season he played 77 mins. The debate can be made that the Rockets were trying to make the playoffs, but wasn't the Warriors when they were breaking in Dunleavy Jr? Wasn't SA and Det going for the best record when they had their young players on the floor? Robbie,you talk about how Ming showed potential even when he sucked. I want to know how much potential did he show that 1st game against Indy? He started to relax when he started getting the ball and playing minutes. You always bring up how lost he looked, but when Pippen was here, he looked lost also and he was a first team nba player. Langhi looked lost here also, but in Phoe he at least played almost 10mins a night. Hell he has a all star in Marion in front of him and here he had Walt Williams and Glen Rice. 2 old over the hill wannabes who couldn't start for another team in the entire nba at that point in their careers. In fact, Rice was injured last yr and we had 1 sf on our team and he couldn't even play then. The bottom line to me is that if you're going to take a international player and claim its going to take him 2 or 3 yrs to adjust to the nba game, you might as well take a american underclassman with more upside if thats the case. If he wasn't going to see the floor, they would have been better off taking someone like Woods. I'm pretty sure Woods is going to get alot of playing time next yr even with Pippen being in the mix. I wonder if the same can be said of Nachbar.
Most people on this board like to compare the lack of gametime given to Peja in his rookie yr to the lack of time given to Nachbar. I was saying that Peja played over 1000 mins on a playoff contending team with a quality starter in front of him. Nachbar got no time on a lott team with for half the season no one in front of him.
Because he sucks. Trust me, if he was showing a pulse at all in practice, he would have gotten more minutes. Rudy and the coaches get paid to win games - not to keep poor Nachbar down. If you can't beat Juaquin Hawkins out for minutes, you don't deserve them. Also, Rudy was the only person on the planet that had even mentioned Nachbar. Everyone else was scouting Skita, who was Nachbar's backup. Sounds like Rudy outsmarting himself again. If Nachbar doesn't really improve over the summer he will be out of the league by the end of next year.
Everyone was scouting Skita because he was 7ft and now everyone is trying to find a Dirk clone. If Skita was so good over there, how come he didn't even play at all. Everything on Skita was that he was a ballet dancer with range. If he sucked or didn't even show a pulse, who's fault was that on scouting.?
No I've already made my judgement after seeing your first post that you suck. No waiting until next year, unless you realize your judgemental attitude on Boki is way too early and show a pulse of your own...
