{Mannix} Rockets interested in Ty Lawson despite DUI

How so?

I see you said better then the team we went "into last season with" hence your not counting the addition of Brewer or Smith, but the team we went into the playoffs had those and that's what counts.

We lost Smith, have yet to re-sign Terry or KJ, Prigioni is rumored to be retiring as well.

We added Dekker, Harrell and Thornton so far. Thornton replaces Terry's production, but Dekker and Harrell are Dleague bound. So essentially, we have the same roster, except minus Smith, a key role player.

People also add " Well where healthy " but that's bull **** because we have no idea how healthy where going to be this season. On top of that Dmo and Bev are both coming off of surgery's.

You also have too add the surrounding competition in when calculating how successful or better our team is. Spurs, Clips improved, OKC will be back and they used to kick our asses, Warriors are still the Warriors.

 

Then its a good thing the Rockets are significantly better entering the season this coming season than last season.

 

Absolutely I'm not counting Brewer or Smith going into last season. The point is that everyone is panicking about the roster going into the season and the off-season has barely just begun. If Daryl Morey makes no changes at all then the team is significantly better than the one entering last season. Daryl Morey has just as good of a chance at improving the team in the off season as he did last year.

I don't see the panic. I see a team that won the Southwest, won 56 games and made it to the Western conference finals. And I see a team that has Pat Beverly and Donatas Motiejunas back and healthy going into the season.

So yeah, the team is much better now than they were entering the season last year.

 

This team will be fine. I think we make it to WCF again. I don't think many people realize how much we clicked before the injuries took ahold. I believe we won 5/6 games to start the season and couldn't be stopped. I still remember TJones going off on Boston in the second game if I'm not mistaken.

It takes time to gel as a team and we are gelling. Plugging pieces doesn't work as well as one would think. You'll see this in LA and Spurs this season.

 

I believe the goal is to begin the year better than you were when you last played, rather than versus this time last year. This time last year, the Rockets were not a team that played in the WCF.

Our expectation should be improvement from when we were at our best, not worst, point in the season.

 

I don't think people care much about having a team that's better then the team that started last season, more so as we care about having a better team that ended last season.

Also, at the start of last season, Howard, Donatas and Bev where healthy, the only difference between the start of this season and last season is basically Brewer, and I wouldn't say he makes us a " much better team " then last years.

 

I've said it before, but...

The only thing worse than making no move is making a bad move.

I think most people right now would be so desperate to keep up with the league that they would blow it.

The hardest thing IMO, and the thing that Morey did last year is to see that there's no good move at this time and bide time until the right deal becomes available. I think most of you guys are so intent on doing something that you'd do something you'd regret later, and would limit you if something good comes free.

Sometimes, the best plan is to keep your powder dry and wait for a real opportunity.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o439kw5

The trade would make us a 60+ win team.

 

Very correct. I don't think Lawson would be considered a bad move at all, but making no move and waiting is not bad at all. I want Lawson, but we're hardly desperate at this point.

 

The addition of Beverly and DMo make the Rockets better than the one that exited the play-offs against GSW. Having the team play together with for a season and not have so many injuries makes the team better. Having someone like Clint Capela in his 2nd season makes the team better.

So yeah, the Rockets are going into the season better than the one they ended with last season. While I want a point guard upgrade, I would trade Patrick Beverly each and every day over what we got from Jason Terry and Pablo Prigioni against GSW. Needles to say, I don't consider losing Pablo or Jet a real loss. Actually more like addition by subtraction because it puts Nick Johnson who at least contributes on the defensive end on the floor.

The only loss the team has suffered IMO is Josh. But I will take a healthy DMo over Josh. Most of us were counting on DMo to start even if we got Josh back. With DMo your not likely the get the highlight real ally oop filled games that we got from Josh. But we will also very likely not see many of the nights where Josh was a non factor accept for his turnovers.

DMo is a good 3pt shooter. Pat is a good 3pt shooter. Thorton is a good 3pt shooter. Yes, the team if healthy is better than the one that lost to GSW, even without Josh. So there is that.

But the main difference in our philosophy is that I think its better to be at your best entering the play-offs, not entering the season.

 

Lawson makes it to where if harden needs to miss some games it will still suck but at least we have someone to rub the offense

 

The problem with that though, is if Papanikoaou goes back overseas after this next season, the nuggets are essentially trading away Lawson for Nick Johnson. Not sure they want to do that.

 

Throw in Dekker and pick

 

For what its worth, the team is better than the one the finished last season if healthy. Pablo and Jet do not represent a loss at all. They both sucked throughout most of the play-offs.

Josh is the only loss that amounts to anything and I like DMo better than him. I would like to have kept him, but he would have been a back up to a healthy DMo.

And the goal is not to be at your best entering the season. The goal is to be at your best entering the play-offs. Big big difference.

 

Honestly Denver doesn't want anything for Lawson, they just want to not be stuck paying him 5 mil a year for the next 5 years.

 

By the way, I'm an advocate of trading for Lawson. I think it would be great to have someone who can run the team with Harden on the bench.

 

Right, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're seeing if they can get some value out of it

 

The Nuggets are far past getting what they "want" for Lawson. I agree that they're going to need somebody relevant or a pick, but they waited too long. His value is shot and they know it.

 

Yep I agree, people can say what they want about LIN yes LIN but when harden would sit or need rest. Mchale would start Lin and he would hold things down. Harden played all games this yr but one because of kick on lebron.

Part of reason I think is because we didn't have anyone that could step up &adding want to punt any games.

I know harden needs ball but him and Lin played well together, at times fed off each other. Was hard for defenses to stop 2 attacking guards. Lawson would 3 times what Lin was forsure because of less turnovers.

 

Agreed, it was so hard to watch our offense go completely stale so many times and we still won a ton of games. Lawson makes this team better no doubt about it