I've said all along that I don't think he'll play a down for any team in 2012. I honestly think he's done and it's just a matter of the rest of the league inevitably figuring it out. This is why I don't want him here, not because I worship the ground Matt Schaub walks on, like some here seem to think. Peyton Manning = Tony Boselli Sure, we were 7-3 when he went down for the year....so let's evaluate him based on 1 play from 1 of the 3 losses.
A game in which Schaub was without his top WR, had an offensive line treated like rag dolls, virtually no running game (under 3 YPC, Arian not in shape) and still had the Texans in the game until the final play? Seems a little silly to judge much on that.
i'm still not sure that many posters on this board understand the seriousness of a lisfranc injury/surgery, and the resulting increased likelihood of future health/performance problems and impediments. forget all of matt schaub's other injuries that you casually chalk up to luck...because of this injury alone he is now "high risk".
I know a Linsfranc injury is srsly bizness. But Schaub has come back and not seen any ill effects from any of his prior injuries, so until the doctors give us some info on his rehab, I'm not going to sell him short as damaged goods. I don't casually chalk them up to luck, I assign them to luck because there is no other credible or discernible reason/explanation for them. If I'm so casually assigning these injuries, then tell us, Dr. Cardpire, other than Jared Allen diving into his knee and Derrick Harvey landing on him with his entire bodyweight, why did Matt Schaub tear his MCL in Minnesota, separate his shoulder in Jacksonville, etc? Bad Genes, skiing accident as a kid, voodoo curse perhaps? I eagerly await your detailed explanation.
if you don't mind, please name some athletes who you would classify as "injury prone", rather than "unlucky".
Or Grant Hill, dude had about a bazillion complications from an ankle issue. Alonzo Morning comes to mind as well. Javhid Best is another good example of a high risk player, we KNOW he's had too many concussions, and the next one might well end his career or his life.
it doesn't take a doctor to understand that an injury as a result of a hit taken by 1 person wouldn't result in the exact same injury to the other 100% of the world's population if they were to have taken the exact same hit. there are thousands upon thousands of awful hits taken in the NFL and in lower levels of football nationwide each year, that go unnoticed because the player comes out of it unscathed. these include plays where behemoths land on the other player with their entire bodyweight, and plays where a players knee is dived directly into. for some reason you included it into an attempt at a witty joke, but of course genetics plays a role, body structure, training, etc. whatever scientific or medical journals that you are subscribing to, i can assure you that all of their authors would agree that not all of the world's population share the exact same level of proneness to injury.
Great, so just as I thought, you subscribe to the "brittle all over" theory. I'll stick with "s**t happens", at the very least we know that to be true, especially in a sport where 300lbs men run into each other going full speed.
you are altering my words. let's agree on this though: you think that matt schaub is no more likely to get injured and miss games than ben roethlisberger is, and i think that's bordering on insanity. fair?
And a dumb**** reciever named Jacoby Jones who stopped running when Schaub threw the ball. Right now we need to focus on getting his sorry ass a replacement.
what would you call Manning then? "ridiculously stupid risk" ? neck surgery, bulging disc surgery, atrophied muscles in neck and throwing shoulder, 36 in March...
absolutely. I've been, along with ima_drummer, saying for a while that I just don't see Manning coming back from this. not at this age...with nothing left to prove.
I don't want to speak for Donny, but speaking for Donny... If we're talking about a "routine" hit - ie a hard, legal sack, then yes - body-constrution-wise, it's likely that a bigger, thicker Roethlisberger would be better served to absorb the hit than Schaub. But if we're talking about a hit (that's been specifically deemed illegal, btw) to a player's exposed, vulnerable knee or a freak, 1-in-a-million perfect "kill shots" to a player's foot... I think it's silly to assume Roethlisberger is somehow impervious to what are significant, serious injuries. It's not like Schaub spends his off-time blowing up trains and seeking out Bruce Willis, ok? Haynesworth is going to break A LOT of feet doing what he did to Schaub.
if he comes back and plays? he wouldn't be that high of an injury risk if he's deemed healthy enough to play.
You forgot about Vickers dropping the game winning touchdown. I'm talking about the last play where Schaub lacked the testicular fortitude to try to beat 1 man and get in the endzone.
how about Schaub just knows his limitations and knew he wasn't going to outrun the saftey so he made the "smart" play. unfortunately, Jones zigged instead of zagged thus the INT. Rosencopter had the "testicular fortitude", didn't he? that turned out well.
First of all, I think there was virtually no chance that Schaub runs it in. I'd rather a quarterback be smart and go for the most efficient option, as opposed to trying a low-percentage play just to prove he has "testicular fortitude". Matt doesn't have the moves to juke a safety in a 1-on-1 situation at the 2, nor does he have the strength to bull him over. There's always a chance, but extremely unlikely. The better option was the throw, but Matt waited a second too late to release and Jacoby stopped running. That combination spelled disaster. Regardless though, it's silly to put that much stock in any one play. Hell, you could make Tom Brady look terrible if you did that. Bad decisions on individual plays happen to everyone.
