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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Jun 24, 2010.

  1. basso

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  2. pgabriel

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    glutton for punishment
     
  3. basso

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    2nd chakra's 2nd coming.
     
  4. mc mark

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    poor basso, I'm sure an apology is forthcoming...

    Al Gore cleared of sex assault allegations in Portland

    Portland Police and the Multnomah County District Attorney's office have cleared Al Gore of criminal wrongdoing in the sex assault case filed by masseuse Molly Hagerty.

    "After evaluating the materials submitted by PPB I have concluded that I agree with the assessment that a sustainable criminal case does not exist," said District Attorney Michael D. Schrunk, in a statement.
     
  5. giddyup

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    Have you apologized to OJ Simpson yet? He was found not guilty, you know.

    Not finding a "sustainable criminal case" only means "tough to win."

    I have a friend who's a cop and he spent months building a two-inch file against a guy who spent 8 years in a Federal penitentiary and who is committing bigamy and attempting to defraud a Trust Fund. The DA won't prosecute because the crime is not heinous enough measured against the cost to convict.
     
  6. mc mark

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    I started no thread in regards to OJ so (as usual) your analogy makes no sense.
     
  7. giddyup

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    Think.
     
  8. BetterThanI

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    Welcome to the United States Of Giddyup, where accusation = guilt (especially if you're a Democrat or a Liberal).
     
  9. giddyup

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    Think again.

    Here's a hint: what does a lack of prosecution or even a finding of innocence not necessarily mean (another hint... OJ Simpson)?
     
  10. mc mark

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    or it could mean no law was broken and there is no case
     
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    no case does not equal no event
     
  12. mc mark

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    So, like basso, you'd rather deal innuendo and slander

    Got it
     
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    The difference is that basso is fully aware of the reputability of his agitprop and giddyup truly believes these things.
     
  14. giddyup

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    No. I'm objecting to you calling for an apology from basso when a decision not to prosecute really tells us nothing in absolute about what did or did not happen. That's why I asked you if you had apologized to OJ because he was found not guilty of those criminal charges... which seem and I believe are obviously true. Did you invite OJ over for dinner since he was found not guilty?

    Think David vs. Goliath. What good is it going to do for Portland to go up against the massive legal team that Al Gore would surround himself with? Imagine the cost for the city. Practically every municipality is struggling with cost containment.

    I don't think we really know what kind of case it might have been. Of course, Al Gore pleads innocence.
     
  15. giddyup

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    Do you need a hobby?
     
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    maybe the city lied about the physical evidence and lie dectector test to save money.
     
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    Would you want to underwrite a he-said/she-said case when the he is a powerful political figure and the she is a lowly masseuse?

    Lie detector tests are highly infallible-- except in TV courtrooms. I can see this one coming on South Park.
     
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    her other evidence failed. giddy i'm not going to get into one of the stupid circular arguments with you, I think you're a nice guy so lord knows what your motivation is sometimes.

    the police don't want to investigate, case closed, you can speculate all you want, its your perogative
     
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    It tells us that Gore is not guilty of breaking any law. Believe it or not, you are not the arbiter of absolute truth. The world isn't just going to take your word for it. You see, in this country, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed a crime in order to call them criminals. Any other conclusion you draw is hearsay and (as mc mark pointed out) slander and innuendo. You want to say something different? Prove it. Otherwise, you're spinning fairy tales.

    Oh, and by the way, OJ was found culpable for the deaths of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson in a civil trial. No apology needed.
     
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    So the "truth" is that in one way of looking at it, OJ is guilty, but in another way of looking at it, OJ is innocent... and that's the TRUTH about what really happened?

    Without realizing it, you proved my point: the outcome of the trial or whether or not there is even a trial does not necessarily have any bearing on what actually happened. Rather it's about what can be proven to some varying standard (civil vs. criminal) or, maybe in some cases, is worth trying to prove.

    We don't know if Gore did this or not but no one here owes Al Gore an apology because Gore was not convicted or even tried. I understand that mc mark is just running to the defense of one of his political icons, but we are not all obligated to do so.
     

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