Yeah that's simply not true. He was a turnover machine early in his career. Ball handling turnovers. Dribbling it off his knee. Offensive fouls. Go back far enough and no one would say he had good handles. In a way you just proved my point by showing how much a player can change the narrative on what was a weakness to what is now a strength.
SL does not mean ish. Fun to watch? Absolutely, but it's usually pretty bad. People dropping the "bad BB IQ", "just a role player" or even worse "bust" labels are almost as fun to read. These takes are laughably ridiculous. Will be fun watching the progress this year on both ends of the court. After a much needed training camp to get comfortable playing with his actual teammates and having some real game experience, things will start to slow down a bit and he will shut the critics up. He doesn't seem to get down on himself when the shot's not dropping. There's no waving his arms, crying to the refs or not getting back on D. Just keeps hustlin on both ends of the court. After dealing with that ish the last couple of yrs you'd think people would be relieved and excited about the future. Once the playmakers start getting him the ball when he's open, and he will be a lot with J Green, KPJ and Sengun on the floor, he will avg 15 plus a game (as a rookie) and will be playing the best D this team has seen from a Big in a long damn time. With the ability to knock down jumpers at +40% and lock down others on D, his teammates will love him. They would be Crazy not to. I'm not even going to try and forecast his numbers for the first half of the season, but for the 2nd half I'll throw this out.. IF Everyone Is On the Same Page... 17 Pts 7 Rbs 3 Ast 1 Blk 1 Stl Will he be a superstar someday? Who knows. But he's gonna be damn good and it's gonna be fun to watch.
Yeah, this is from his scouting report: His ball handling needs a lot of work … Rarely, if ever, takes more than one dribble to his left without pulling up or spinning back right … Very predictable. Lacks creativity in the face up game which he will need to succeed at the next level … Despite his size and strength, he did not utilize the post up game at all in college. Not much of a passer or facilitator (1.5 assists per game) … (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/demar-derozan/)
Dude you are completely missing the point. He had handles in what i just described to you. As i said before he played north south. He dribbled on the break and he played one on one taking people off the dribble. I never said he was great. I simply said that was his identity and style and the skill set was there to allow him to play that way. And he was effective. And any development simply improved and built on his skill set. Jabari doesn’t have this skill set therefore he does not play that way or vice versa. The skills and style and identity as a ball handler needs to be there in the first place and any improvements are minor in terms of development. Not sure why you’re arguing to the death about this especially when my comment was about the post which compared him to Pippen explaining to you Smith isn’t a point forward. You then argued he could be one then changed stance talking about him being used in wing or high post etc. Dude you are just trying to salvage your argument at this point. I could care less about winning an argument. Only thing I care about is clearing up misconceptions about development because I have played the game and know it’s not what a lot of people say it is on here.
Because Smith was expected to be first overall. A clearly superior player would be as well in the worst case scenario. I thought that was obvious but i guess i should have been more explicit.
I totally agree with everything you are saying, my issue is more that some are thinking Jabari will improve to be a much more complete player than realistic imo. Doesn't mean he won't be a great contributor but people would do well to assume he'll be something in the mold of a better Rashard Lewis, not a Klay/KD, Aldridge, Pippen or whatever. Just different skillsets people don't usually develop after college.
You would have to ask orlando’s management. Or those analysts that put Smith num 1. I don’t have that answer. Never made sense to me why Orlando would draft Smith when their team lacked scoring ability in multiple positions. Banchero is very very good Again I just believe Murray is undervalued especially as a two way player.
over reaction thread of the summer league. Happens every year. XXXX is the GOAT XXXX is a bust rinse and repeat every year
But no whispers of Murray going 1, 2, or 3. So if he's superior then you're also saying most evaluators are wrong. It's possible but seems a little bold to say clearly superior when most aren't seeing it...
I agree, I don't see Paolo being better than Green at the one on one game. Green showed far better shot creation than any of the picks this draft. No one in his draft is close to him in shot creation as well. He is an elite offensive prospect.
I bet if we had a choice, it would've been to give up the entire farm. I was on the Banchero bus, but even I don't think he is worth giving up the farm for.
Let me get this straight. This is your logic. Many players don't improve even if they work for it. Smith is probably one of these players. Therefore, our expectation is that he is just a solid 3&D guy. Am I right?
Define complete player. Let's only focus on the offense here, since I guess nobody is doubting his defense: 1. He is a shooter - but not just a catch and shoot player. He can create his own shot, either by a short dribble or a fadeaway. 2. He drives to the rim about twice a game - he is more of a straight line driver, but he can get to the basket. 3. He isn't a big passer. So his inability to use a dribble move to get by his man means he is not a complete player? And we don't believe a player, that just turned 19, can improve a little bit on his handles and driving ability to incorparte a spine move or a crossover? And you can find holes in almost every stars or even superstars games. The question is, can they score at will against anybody when the game is on the line? Jabari won't be able to do that with his dribble - but he can create a perimeter-shot by himself and he already is pretty good at hitting that. A lot of players had or have perimeter shots as their weapon of choice. Not a lot of players are 6-10 and have a really high release, so they can shoot over basically anybody with little seperation and convert at a high rate.
Good Lord. This is the type of player who'd look amazing on the school court with the every day person. Then they get invited to try out for a state team and the real players who know how to defend properly sit back smirking while he makes a fool of himself and then doesn't even make the representative team.
You're talking to a brick wall. Anyone who says Jabari is locked in to the player he is now doesn't understand basketball. Anytime somebody says player x can only be this or player x will never be that after 2 exhibition games doesn't know ball. Especially not a number 3 pick that works his ass off.
