Originally posted by rezdawg The only other way the mavs can benefit is if Nash goes down with an injury, then van exel can step right in and contribute. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Originally posted by ROckets03, Umm...how would that benifit the Mavs? Nash is better then Van Exel. Well atleast he is much much better suited to the style of game Mavs play. Dr. Jack obviously agrees with me more... Nick Van Exel isn't going to be happy as a backup point guard -- Steve Nash gets most of the minutes. Maybe Van Exel is good insurance if Nash is injured, but that's not enough to justify this trade.
Are you guys craZy? Of course Dallas is a better team for this trade. A better center in LaFrentz, who we wish WE had, and now Finley can play SF with VanExel at SG... What a backcourt, with Nash... 2 starters and 2 backups for 3 backups... now that's an incredible trade. Denver, of course, was looking for caproom, and getting rid of bloated contracts and discontented players. In a year, they'll be able to get under the cap, and sign a franchise type player or two in their rebuilding. But for you guys to say that Dallas didn't do well in this trade... geez. 2 starters and a bunch of trading chits... can't do much better than that.
Doggo and Dr. Jack (get some ginko quick)... Don Nelson is the godfather of small ball. If you seriously think that Van Exel will only backup Nash, you need to watch more ball. Dallas will be able to play small ball better than anyone else.
And I care what Dr. Jack has to say because....... Who was the all-star this year? Nash knows how to run the Mavs. No one can run the Mavs offense better then Nash, not even Kidd. Nash, unlike Kidd is an offensive threat as well.
Originally posted by ROckets03, Who was the all-star this year? Nash knows how to run the Mavs. No one can run the Mavs offense better then Nash, not even Kidd. Nash, unlike Kidd is an offensive threat as well. I dont think anyone disagrees that nash knows how to run the Mavs better than anyone else. Whats your point with the arguement? Moe, If Don Nelson is the godfather of small ball, then he is screwed. Maybe you should watch more ball. They wouldnt be able to compete defensively. Nash would only be able to guard the opposing teams point guard. That leaves van exel (6'1") with the opposing shooting guard. That asks for trouble.
Moe, Also, by your theory that van exel and nash will play together, do you actually think van exel will be able to guard kobe, bonzi, steve smith, and christie in the playoffs? If this team wants to make a playoff run, then van exel needs to play the point. If the Mavs plan on playing small ball, then it will show once again why Don Nelson has never won in the playoffs. Instead of disputing this, go and watch more ball.
Thats the best news I have seen in a while. The Rox need consistent outside shooting from the bench, and if Rice can come back and replace (or improve upon) the production that they got from Bull then the acquisition will be worth it. btw, hope the "quoting" and cut-n-pasting worked correctly... new here and learning the bbs ropes.
Dallas has gotten much better offensively, which is what they wanted anyway. But more importantly, they got alot deeper. They now have 3 guys over 7 feet that can hit the 3 with consistancy. Talk about mismatches, man. But again, they got alot deeper with really good players which will allow Nelli a 12 deep lineup. As for Denver, they just joined the race for the Jason Williams sweepstake. (along with Chicago)
I disagree. Both LaFrentz and VanExel are thrilled to be in Dallas and playing for Cuban. Nick was on the radio the other day with Nellie and he was damn near giddy. Nellie said that Nick and Nash would both be on the floor at the same time a lot and perticularly at the end of games. Remember too that Cuban treats his players like royalty, something they are not used to in Denver. They looked pretty damn good today against Sac.
Dallas played well today, but the playoffs are completely different. Defense wins in the playoffs, not offense. Having the 2 small guards in the backcourt can be costly.
Who defends Van Exel? Only the Lakers have the quick guards(Hunter, Fisher) who could match up with both Nash AND Van Exel. Sure, you'll score a lot of points, but so will the Mavs, and that plays right into their gameplan.
umm...did you forget kobe bryant plays guard? Kobe is quicker than both dallas guards. He can shut them down. The question is, can either guard shut kobe down? Nope.
Nick and Steve looked pretty great together on the court with Raef, Nowitzki and Finley tonight. They carved up Sacto.
Who can stop Kobe? Ruben Patterson, the Kobe stopper. Just ask him. I think Dallas is OK for now but they should make an off-season deal. Best for the Mavs not to become Portland South.
Moe, Patterson, penny, posey, finley, and billups are all quick enough to play D on Kobe. Only problem is that dallas cannot have finley guard kobe if both van exel and nash are going to be playing also. It goes back to my point that Dallas cannot play small ball in the playoffs and win.
Penny? Are you serious? I haven't seen any of those guys shut Kobe down. Kobe is virtually unstoppable. The only one that shuts down Kobe is Kobe. You couldn't expect to shut Kobe down, but you could hope to neutralize him somewhat by having him chase Van Exel around the court & have V.E. put a lot of points on the board himself.
Moe, I never said that kobe can get shut down. I think it is widely believed that Kobe can only be contained. And, my friend, penny has probably done the best job on Kobe this year. In 3 games, Kobe has managed 20 points a game against penny. That is about as well as anyone can defend him. Please tell me that you really dont think that van exel can even come close to defending Kobe. Van exel is 6'1" for crying out loud. Kobe would have an absolute field day against nick. You are getting proven wrong in every aspect of this argument. You keep digging yourself in a bigger hole every time you try to defend yourself. Small ball will not work against the lakers.
Rez, how am I digging myself a deeper hole? You are the one who tries to narrow the scope of what you previously said when challenged. In your first post in this thread, you said the only way the Mavs could benefit from the trade, other than getting rid of Howard's salary, was if Nash got injured. I said Don Nelson would play them at the same time, being the proponent of small ball that he is. I still think he will. Then, you say that if Nelson does go small, he is screwed. You say they won't be able to compete defensively. The idea of small ball is to trade off defense for offensive mismatches. I don't particularly like it. I don't like it when the Rockets run it, but I will admit that sometimes it works. Don Nelson loves it. He coaches the Mavs. I think the Mavs will run it. Crash 5179 posted he heard Nellie on the radio say they would use Nash and Van Exel at the same time. I doubt he was lying. Then you say that Van Exel can't guard the likes of Kobe, Bonzi, Smith and Christie. You follow that up by asking.."The question is, can either guard shut Kobe down?. Nope." I ask who does shut Kobe down. You backtrack some and say Penny, Posey, Billups, Patterson and Finley are all quick enough to play D on Kobe. You later say " I never said that Kobe can get shut down." Technically true, but why did you imply that, by asking if Van Exel or Nash could shut down Kobe? You say that Kobe can shut down Van Exel, but I think that remains to be seen. Nick is kind of quick, too. As for Penny, with his ailments, he is not nearly as quick as he used to be. I didn't see the games you are talking about, but I have a hard time believing Penny was responsible for holding down Kobe to 20 points all by himself. I am getting tired of this argument, so I won't be replying any more. You get the last word. Knock yourself out.
I wouldn't give Mobley for him. Francis & Mobley sounds better than Francis & Odom, plus chances of Francis sticking around are higher if Mobley stays on the team.
