Man doesn't follow police commands, gets popped after reaching into car in Tulsa

You're such a douche and you either don't know or don't care.

Sure, I do wonder why the guy felt the need to walk away and ignore police instructions. But his hands were in the air the entire time and he never menaced the police officers. One shot him with a taser, the second shot (and killed) him with a pistol.

Didn't the police give a different account of how it went down, but then video proved, Oops---his hands were in the air the whole time?

As preventable as all of this is, the cops must have a serious fear of black people---oops, wait; as bigtexxx says, "The Blacks"---because they seem to have a problem with excessive force.

The answer being "no".

Oh, wait: it was a rhetorical question.

Carry on.

 

It's supposed to prove that any traffic stop can be your last, and sitting on your holster can mean your life.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it's what they teach cadets in the academy.

They literally show them this video as part of training.

I've gotten into several arguments with people today over whether deadly force should be justified simply by the suspect reaching for something... and I can't say I don't have mixed feelings on it.

 

Trust texx will try and find a way to make it that way which as usual he will be wrong.

 

I don't think I've ever seen him offer contrition for being wrong/jumping the gun in my life. Hell, I've never even seen him change his mind about anything given new evidence.

Now is a good time to start.

 

A man loses his life, and it's quite obvious you're happy about it and just couldn't wait to start this thread.

You being you.

 

thats what it seems like to me - its a reasonable assessment.

I know I've said this in the past, but I think that although No officer goes to work or approaches a situation with any ill intent - I do believe that subconsciously many officers give an extra second of doubt to people who aren't black. Unfortunately, that extra second can be the difference between life and death. I think the officers in many of these kinds of situations instantly realize they messed up. It's a horrible scenario to be in for both parties.

It is truly an awful screw-up

 

This is very tragic. Police in the USA should be much more careful about using deadly force. Somehow, police in other countries gets it done, too. Yeah, I know, more baddies have guns in the USA, but still.

One of the things I distinctly remember from when I had my Fulbright scholarship - we had a preparation seminar with maybe a 100 or so Fulbright scholars attending. They told us repeatedly that if we were to be stopped by the police while driving a car, we should definitely obey strictly and not make any hasty movements - apparently, one of the years before I went, a Fulbright scholar got shot by the police because he nervously reached for his driver's license, which was in the glove compartment (I don't know the color of his skin). They told us to keep the hands on the steering wheel unless otherwise instructed.

 

For years I used to think bigtexxx's routine was just gimmicky trolling. Now I fear that he is what people call him out to be: a bigoted, racist, narrow-minded person.

This is more than a man getting "popped" (disgusting and disrespectful diction, btw); this is murder.

 

BigTexx is a racist - you can tell by his posts, he lacks leadership, control, and understanding of the world we are in today.

I pity him.

DD

 

That lets us know how he will be voting for .

 

I don't think bigtexxx is a racist. He just likes to get a rise out of certain people.

 

The fact that he gleefully and expeditiously ran here to post this as a big FU to the BLM/SJW crowd is one of many signs of some sort of mental illness.

At least you post stuff to bring attention to a legitimate problem.

This was just unnecessary and ugly to the core. There was nothing constructive about this. This was somebody trying to use the death of a man to spike a political football.

Poor form.

 

I'm not saying this shooting was justified...but why do so many of these involve people not following police instructions??? If someone of authority has a gun already pointed at you, it isn't rocket science to conclude that maybe doing as they ask is in your best interest.

..right up until he reached into the car, making the other parts mostly irrelevant. Why did he do that? Again, I'm not saying this was reason to shoot him, but you just ignored repeated police instructions...reaching into the car at that point for anything not the greatest idea.

Given the taser, why was it necessary to shoot him with the pistol? Police procedure would at least seem to need some clarification here.

It also seems that 'dire threat' needs to be better clarified. An unarmed man doesn't pose a dire threat. Clearly, no one saw he had a gun. I couldn't even tell if he was trying to pull his arm back out of the car yet. So, you have a man with his arm in a car. Is shooting people for that justified?

See above, no, the video did not show that. Nor did it show what occurred prior to the video.

yes, and no. The man repeatedly ignored police instructions, including instructions not to reach into the car. Will need to hear more about what occurred prior, about whether he was pulling his arm out of the car, about whether he gave any indication why he was walking to the car, and why he was reaching into it, etc etc.

 

She had a prior criminal record?

 

She made a HUGE mistake and will be held accountable but I blame her training and the LEO culture. The system and her "partner" put her in a position to fail and she failed horribly. Punishing her won't solve anything at all. You've got to fix the training and the culture in LEO to see real change.

 

If only such standards were applied to normal citizens. For example:

"[non-violent offender] made a HUGE mistake but I blame his education and the culture of his neighborhood. The system and his friends put him in a position to fail and he failed horribly. Punishing him won't solve anything. You've got to fix the education and the culture in his neighborhood to see any real change."

To some people here, those guilty of nothing more than disobeying an order deserve to get executed by cops.

 

Exactly. My hope is that when she gets convicted she countersues the Tulsa police force blaming training for this thing.

 

Don't think she will see jail time or even charges

 

Just watched that video again. His hands were in the air the whole time then he inexplicably started reaching down by his pocket with his right hand.

 

I think it can, it's the bad apples that make the rest of them look bad. Almost all my experiences with police officers have been good, in fact they've gone out of their way to show that they are working for the people.

That being said, OP is just a douche and giant racist. Don't portray a man's death as insignificant and in such a humorous manner. We place restrictions on who is judge, jury, and executioner in our system. All that goes out the window in cases like these.

I would ask people not to let incidents like these color the perception people have of the police in general, and take what this officer did as murder/perjury (if she incorrectly testified) and kkktexxx is an ugly racist. He has been rattled lately, but this is embarrassing even for his standards.