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Man doesn't follow police commands, gets popped after reaching into car in Tulsa

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  1. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    The ole nobody wakes up in the morning to murder soneone defense after they murder someone. Classic. It's right up there with it only takes one good guy with a gun to stop one bad guy with a gun.

    When exactly did slogans become a a Republican substitute for actual ideas and arguments? Thanks, Reagan.
     
  2. Duncan McDonuts

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    His car stalled in the middle of the road. Some possible explanations I can think of:
    1. He legitimately thinks the car trouble will cause his car to go up in flames
    2. He's tripping
    3. He has a bomb in the car

    It's most likely the 1st. There's not much to think he's tripping. If he has a bomb, stopping traffic on a one-lane road is not worthy enough to detonate there. I'm still questioning the need for a police helicopter and multiple squad cars. It doesn't make much sense.
    Thanks for the image. I couldn't tell what to look for but that does look like a trail of blood on a closed window.
     
  3. Duncan McDonuts

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    Actually, you may be right. That line doesn't seem to follow the blood stain on the door as the helicopter rotates around the car.
     
  4. the shark

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    No doubt, from this pic the window is up.

    I just don't see how anyone (especially the cops on the scene--more importantly the lady cop who shot him) can justify shooting this man.

    My heart goes out to the Crutcher family.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    Shooting someone in the leg is movie BS. If you shoot, you shoot to kill. It's why you shouldn't shoot unless you think you have to.....like when someone is ignoring police commands and heading back to their vehicle where for all you know they could have a weapon.

    Lesson of the day: Obey police orders, it might save your life
     
  6. heypartner

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    I agree. I originally called that view a blood trail. But DonnyMost's idea it is a seatbelt is pursuading me as you watch the coptor angle change.

    Go to 1:34 mark and watch all. The motion of the reflection in all three windows is consistent. The blood vs seatbelt idea is from the fact that still frame is the only time you see the mark on the window. As the helicopter moves, it disappears. But the reflections are moving, too -- the reflection of closed windows are all in sync.
     
  7. TheRealist137

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    Stupid post, ignoring police commands and heading back to a vehicle is not grounds to kill somebody. It's not how the police operate in literally any other developed nation.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    It absolutely is. Cops are killed every year by people who pull a gun out of their car, it's why they have very little patience for those who ignore their commands. I know the short bus crowd will never understand this, but it really is pretty obvious.

    When you ignore police, you make yourself a threat to them....so don't do that.
     
  9. DonnyMost

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    No, it isn't.

    Until he put his hands somewhere no one could see them, there is zero justification to pull the trigger.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Once he got to the drivers side door STILL ignoring police instructions (started back when he was well behind the vehicle) there was cause to shoot. You don't have to wait until he actually gets in the vehicle.

    All he had to do was obey police instructions and there would have been no problem whatsoever, he'd be at home happy right now. Instead, he was an idiot, and now he's dead.....and since he was black, it's a story.
     
  11. the shark

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    You're right if he was pulling something OUT of his car.

    The door is closed all the way.
    The window is rolled all the way up.
    So there was no way to pull ANYTHING out of his car.
    So there was NO REASON to shoot this man as these cops were NEVER IN DANGER!!!!!
     
  12. DonnyMost

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    You have lost your damned mind.

    Officer Shelby will be facing a manslaughter charge at bare minimum.
     
  13. bobrek

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    All this stuff being said, why is it that one officer chose to shoot a taser and the other chose to shoot a gun? Why did they have different weapons? What is the point of tasing someone if a fellow officer is going to shoot to kill?
     
  14. the shark

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    So in your mind this is a story because this man was black????

    Bobby no reason to even debate with you because you just don't get it and unfortunately you never will.

    "You don't have to wait until he actually gets in the car"???:eek:
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    The officers aren't required to wait until he actually gets in his vehicle to pull something out. The guy made himself a threat for no reason whatsoever and that led to him getting shot. It's 100% on him.
     
  16. DonnyMost

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    Unless the guy was going to go Hulk and pick the car up to throw at them...

    Of course that might be a real concern/possibility in

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    LOL of course that's the only reason it's a story. If the man wasn't black, this might make a local headline, but certainly we'd never hear about it. The narrative would be different too.
     
  18. Xenon

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    That is not cause for shooting someone. The world you want to live in is ****ed up. He had his hands up and was shot in the chest.
     
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    And how is it a threat to walk away with your hands up and put your hands on the vehicle as he was told?
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    Sure, a lot of people have their hands up before reaching for weapons. Having your hands up doesn't mean you aren't about to do something...in fact it's often a sales job right before someone acts.

    What you crazy kids will never get around is the simple fact that if the guy merely followed police instructions, as he was legally required to do, then there would have been no problem whatsoever. This situation was 100% caused by the idiot who got himself shot and it's no one else's fault.
     

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