Man doesn't follow police commands, gets popped after reaching into car in Tulsa

Just messed up all around.

 

Well we'll at least get a trial.

 

Manslaughter is the proper charge to pursue.

Hopefully the DA is competent and/or not corrupt.

 

Manslaughter ok i can see her getting that charge.

 

She said he was trying to put his hands inside the car. If she wrote that in an official report then they can charge her for fraudulent statement. Maybe add a few more years for that.

 

I think in a normal political climate this would end in a no bill situation, but in order to appease potential rioters they are moving forward with a case that will almost certainly result in a not guilty verdict. It will allow for the full story to get a lot of press and hopefully will cause things to calm down.

 

Calm down. Let's let the process play out. There will be evidence and testimony at the trial. After watching the video, all I know is that it was a chaotic scene and I have a lot of unanswered questions.

 

Good!

1st degree manslaughter is the correct charge. Coward weak cop should have never been an officer if she can't handle the heat. Someone got killed because of it.

 

The DA filing a charge does not guarantee a trial. I am no expert on Oklahoma law, but I presume the accused has the right to a preliminary hearing or a determination of probable cause by a grand jury.

 

Not necessarily. People 'see' things all the time that turn out to not be what actually happened. Everyone who witnesses an incident 'sees' something different.

Not trying to defend what happened, or say she shouldn't have been charged. But that doesn't mean she was lying, either.

 

Conveniently her shooting him because she thought she saw something that clearly does not line up with reality is a very textbook case of manslaughter.

 

Here's the statute that matters.

A peace officer, correctional officer, or any person acting by his command in his aid and assistance, is justified in using deadly force when:

1. The officer is acting in obedience to and in accordance with any judgment of a competent court in executing a penalty of death; or

2. In effecting an arrest or preventing an escape from custody following arrest and the officer reasonably believes both that:

a. such force is necessary to prevent the arrest from being defeated by resistance or escape, and

b. there is probable cause to believe that the person to be arrested has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious bodily harm, or the person to be arrested is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon, or otherwise indicates that he will endanger human life or inflict great bodily harm unless arrested without delay; or

3. The officer is in the performance of his legal duty or the execution of legal process and reasonably believes the use of the force is necessary to protect himself or others from the infliction of serious bodily harm; or

4. The force is necessary to prevent an escape from a penal institution or other place of confinement used primarily for the custody of persons convicted of felonies or from custody while in transit thereto or therefrom unless the officer has reason to know:

a. the person escaping is not a person who has committed a felony involving violence, and

b. the person escaping is not likely to endanger human life or to inflict serious bodily harm if not apprehended.


When she tells her side of the story in court, it'll establish a reasonable belief that the person was under the influence of drugs, which will be backed up by the PCP found in the vehicle, and the story will be of a person acting very strangely and ignoring all police commands heading back to the vehicle instead of stopping. Her belief that he was trying to reach into the vehicle will be enough to get a not guilty verdict.

The good news is that all of this will come out in court and hopefully it'll enlighten people who think this was a case of murder.

 

A man killed and a woman ruined all because LEO training and culture in this country is really messed up. Both are casualties.

 

Well really they are casualties of drug abuse and an anti-police environment.

 

Might take a few more IQ points than you currently have to understand but he isn't dead because of drug abuse and she isn't ruined because of anti-police environment. If you can't understand that I can't help you.

 

Seriously people, when someone is pointing a gun at you, do what they say.

 

Adorable that you think so. The reason there was a problem in the first place was because the guy was on PCP. The reason people assume that the shooting was wrongful has to do with the anti-police environment. It's a whole lot like how people initially believed the "hands up, don't shoot" lie.

 

Yes, but let's not turn this into the standard accepted behavior for citizen-police interactions.

The followup to this is: "seriously, officers, when someone has their hands on the roof of a car, don't shoot them".

 

Good rule of thumb, but another possibly more important one would be "Don't do PCP"

 

So we need to redefine the word lie for police officers when they hold everyone else to a much higher standard. How does that work exactly? The people who are trained to serve and protect get to lie without consequence because they're unable to accurately report what actually happened. The result is that people get dead, imprisoned, beat up, and have their lives screwed with because cops are unable to distinguish truth from fiction.