I love it when people try to rationalize this. point blank: If you and your teacher friends leave a table with less than 15%, regardless of service, than y'all are being cheap. If you tip 15% or better, than you are doing a fine job, and paying attention. I'd bet that when y'all go out and divvy out the bill, there is always that "one person" who "forgets" about taxes, etc. and inevitably makes the overall tip look bad when everyone else has paid their fair share. I hate those people. If you can't afford it, go to McDonald's and check out their 99 cent menu.
so people actualy care if other people think they are cheap??? I tip more if the service was better. If the service was bad, i do not tip. A tip is because they were friendly and did a good job, they already get payed for the job. So a tip is an EXTRA.
I'm sorry, but I just can't agree with the "you have to tip 15% each time" argument. I normally tip a minimum of 20%, but there have been times when I've only tipped 5% or so. This is when we never get any refills, all our food comes out at the same time, and we sit there for 15 minutes with empty plates in front of us and the check still hasn't come. If you give crappy service, you're not entitled to 15%. Sorry, but that's how it should be.
More proof that tipping is a crappy-ass system. Should anyone care if a waiter thinks you're cheap? That what this whole system depends on. Waiters are paid in excess of their value, but it is somehow the customers' shortcoming if this overvaluation isn't perpetuated. Btw, FFB, I'm glad the guy was arrested, but I don't really think he should have been. The case may be thrown out, but I'm glad he got the hassle for the whole affair. I don't like the tipping system, but I also don't like breach of contract.
I will ONLY agree with that if the service was very lousy. If you are making a statement that they did a crappy job, then fine. But "normal" service should always get 15%. And you think I'm happy now that I'm having to give a $2 tip on drinks over $6 these days?!? I hate it!! But that's the way it is these days.
I agree with that. I always start at 20% and go from there, but 15% should be the minimum starting point. That is why I always start a tab with my credit card. If I get a $3 drink, I feel like an ass for leaving $1 and taking another. With credit card, I don't have to overtip like I do with cash. Not to mention, I always, always get ****ty service from bartenders. There's something about me and bartenders/sports bar managers that doesn't click. I feel like grabbing them by their collar when they finally wait on me and banging their head into the bar. But I don't, I just tip them lousy.
Maybe waitstaff should make restaurant patrons sign contracts to tip at least fifteen percent of the bill. What other industry can you get away with not paying the required amount. You can't do it with the food. That's the only problem I have with the argument that pay should be based on service. I understand its the nature of the business, but you can't really get away with doing that in any other industry.
you guys have it all wrong... we should be tipping MORE not less. If people tipped for good service all the time, then service as a whole would be better. my first job in high school was as a sacker (actually we were "carry-outs") for Randall's. We made min. wage, but got tips for packing and carrying the groceries to the car. let me tell you - people got 1st class grocery sacking at that place. But that died out now when I go to the store someone making min wage without tips sacks my stuff - they suck - they don't care, they have no pride in their work (try working for $5.15 an hour if you want to know what it is like) I usually just sack it myself - but I would gladly pay them $1 a bag to get it done right
RM95, True about the CC...I always start out with cash..over tip on the first round, ask the bartenders name, then open up a credit card. I get great service all night, and leave a good tip as well, but one that would be far more if I was tipping each drink. DD
Who the hell r u to tell the teachers they are cheap. I hate it when people in the most important profession in the whole world gets paid crappy money and then get called cheap by the waiters who don't earn their pay!
I would try it if I thought it made a difference. It's really weird, I typically get very good service when I'm at a table and the waitress is coming by, but I've literally had times waiting at a bar while the bartenders sat their reading the paper and talking to the other patrons, knowing all along I was there. It's really strange.
I always tip 15-20% or more but that is because I can easily afford it but I don't like people to tell me that I owe the tips even for poor services. This tipping thingy is just made up by as you go along ... In the US, years ago, they told us 10% tip was nice. They raised it to 15% and some places are now "expecting" 20%. Crap. Why should some guys carrying food from the kitchen to the tables get paid $100-$200/ a night?
And you are a cheapskate, and I have every right to call anyone on it. If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal. Period. As far as your other statement, I've been dining for 20 years, and it has always been 15%. Go tell your friend he's a big liar.
You can call anyone anything but doesn't mean sh.. Well, you have not been around very long, junior! So u don't know sh. about that either!
The crazy thing about tips being a percentage is that being a waiter at a restaurant that charges $50 bucks for a meal isn't all that much harder than being a waiter at a coffee shop that charges $5 for a meal. Yet they should get 10 times as much money? The whole tipping thing should either be eliminated (like I said earlier) or just a set amount (eg $2 for standard service, $3 for good service, whatever). Also, there is no way that menu prices would increase 20% or more if the restaurant were forced to pay minimum wage. $3 an hour divided between however many people the waiter serves in an hour is not going to be that much per person.
Nice retort. Good reasoning and feedback. I appreciate future comments from such a thought-provoking individual.
You called people a liar when you are the one who is ignorant about the fact. What do you expect? Here is a tip for you. Go check with your dad about the tip percentage in the old day and then come back and apologize.
I don't recall the guy from The People's Court ever talking about that ... he would mainly just tell you not to take the law into your own hands.
If I worried about how people behaved in the 60's and 70's, I'd have bigger problems than tipping issues. If you want to go back to the days of yore for evidence, you're skatin' on prety thin ice. Tipping is standard, and it's ben standard for quite sometime. If you have a problem with it, don't eat there. BUT If I'm going into a restaurant with a certain amount of money, I will always automatically deduct what my tip will be. If you go into a restaurant with $10, and you order an entree for $8.99, then you are a cheapskate, and you shouldn't be eating out. There are plenty of eateries out there that don't require tipping. Go there.
