Planned route doesn't count. Check the previous days. At least the one yesterday showing bypassing that area.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Spoke to Ukraine separatist leader Tsarev. Says they don't have the weapons to take down <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MH17?src=hash">#MH17</a>. Hung up when asked about their BUK missiles</p>— Simon Shuster (@shustry) <a href="https://twitter.com/shustry/statuses/489817136408178688">July 17, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Yeah I just figured that out, haha! Looks like a previous flight went across Turkey, Romania and Poland instead http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL7/history/20140707/1825Z/OMDB/KATL
Reddit has a pretty comprehensive thread going on. Gruesome images and videos. http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2ayjwz/malaysian_plane_crashes_over_the_ukraine/
My family is flying from AMS to Tokyo later this year so I checked flightaware right away. Bet a lot of guys are doing the same. Too bad the management at MH is that clueless.
I wonder if this is enough... <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash">#BREAKING</a>: Number of dead from crash of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MH17?src=hash">#MH17</a> more than 300, includes 23 U.S. citizen: Interior Ministry adviser, quoted by Interfax</p>— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) <a href="https://twitter.com/Reuters/statuses/489824863725813760">July 17, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Very dumb question in the midst of this tragedy. If a big jet gets hit by a military-grade missile, does it really come down and make a crash site, full of really big pieces? The crash site looks like a lot of intact plane crashes at high speed. Naively, I'd think a missile would just about aerosol the poor airliner up at 30,000 ft and you wouldn't get anything like a traditional crash site. It's *possible* that nothing was shot down here and that we have a more conventional tragedy in a white hot political area being, what else, exploited for political points. RIP to the passengers. Just a horrific way to go.
Latest on CNN is that the number of souls on board was 300+, and that 23 were Americans. The jet was at 32,000 feet from the report I read. Actually, B-Bob, there are pieces scattered all over the place of different sizes. Radar indicates that the plane came apart at altitude, thus the scattered debris field. Little to nothing, so far, in the way of bodies or parts of bodies being found. Looks exactly like it was shot down, in my opinion. Incredible.
The crash site supposedly has a diameter of 9 miles. I'm not sure what a traditional crash site would be.
Primary logical options: * total mechanical failure * Missile from rogue separatists. Maybe even drunk youngsters playing with big equipment. Less logical options: * separatists do this intentionally, as a policy. I don't see what they'd gain, other than attention? * Russians do this. Again, why on Earth? Do they benefit from the world hating the separatists more than ever? * Ukrainians do this, just so they can blame the separatists. This seems ridiculous also. * meteor coincides with conflicted border region that other jets are avoiding. Super, super unlikely. Am I missing something? Just don't see how any organization could really authorize this. It doesn't help anyone.
My guess is traditional crash site would the size of Carl Herrera's average threads in the GARM. Too soon?
False flags can be perpetuated for anumber of reasons, all of which would.never make sense to a.civilian like us
R.I.P passengers of this flight. This really has depressed me, My thoughts and prayers go out to the friends and families of this flight. & To those of you who posted or might post graphic content, can you please put it on spoiler? It just hits me even harder
