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Making the case for Mario

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Chilly_Pete, Apr 30, 2006.

  1. Chilly_Pete

    Chilly_Pete Contributing Member

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    Michael Smith wrote this before he knew the Texans would draft him.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2419503

    Good DEs have more long-term impact than RBs
    By Michael Smith
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    Let me begin by assuring you that, to my knowledge, I never have suffered a head injury, not even a minor one. I've never used/abused recreational or prescription drugs. And it has been well over a week since I last consumed any alcohol. Also rest assured that when I wrote the following, I did so with a straight face.

    With the first pick of the 2006 NFL draft, the Houston Texans should not select running back Reggie Bush of Southern California. And my reason has nothing to do with the recent report that his family allegedly accepted extra benefits during Bush's junior season.

    And sorry, Houstonians, this isn't another plea for the Texans to pass over Bush in favor of University of Texas quarterback (and hometown hero) Vince Young.

    They shouldn't trade down, either, or they might miss out on the player they should take. Mario Williams, the North Carolina State defensive end, should be the Texans' pick.

    Choosing Williams over Bush is the smart choice if not the most popular. It isn't that Williams is the better player; a college scouting director whom I swear by told me that Bush is the best player he's ever evaluated, that Bush received a rating one point below perfect on his scale, while Williams graded out one point behind Bush. So I believe the Texans are in fact torn between Bush and Williams, whom they have rated equally atop their draft board.

    The choice of Williams comes down to whether the Texans want to sell tickets now or distribute Super Bowl tickets later.

    Turn off your television, turn down your radio, put down your draft guide, and ignore the mock drafts. Look at the facts.

    History teaches us that you don't need to draft a star running back as much as you need a running game to win a Super Bowl. The Steelers were the latest example, having won February's Super Bowl with a running back tandem of undrafted Willie Parker and 33-year-old Jerome Bettis.

    Consider what happened (or didn't) this offseason with regard to several high-profile running backs. Indianapolis let Edgerrin James go as a free agent (the same James general manager Bill Polian drafted after he dealt Marshall Faulk to St. Louis, and the same Polian who, when he was in charge of the Bills, picked Thurman Thomas in Round 2). Shaun Alexander re-signed early with Seattle because the money was with the Seahawks and not on the open market. Free agents Jamal Lewis (Baltimore) and Ahman Green (Green Bay) ended up re-signing with their old clubs for short money.

    The Texans should take Williams because he plays the position with more impact, D-end. Good running backs come in all sizes, shapes and rounds. Great pass rushers are rare. That's why backs don't get paid what ends do. Look, money talks: The highest franchise and transition numbers (the average salaries of, respectively, the top five and 10 highest-paid players at each position) belong to quarterbacks, followed by ends, linebackers, offensive linemen, wide receivers and then running backs. You might even argue that cornerbacks have more value than running backs. Two years ago, Denver dealt two-time 1,500-yard rusher Clinton Portis (a second-round pick, by the way) to Washington for corner Champ Bailey. Running backs, which have the shortest career span of any position, seem to come and go, often because teams decide to let them. New Texans coach Gary Kubiak knows this, having served as offensive coordinator in Denver, where the system -- the same one he's brought with him to Houston -- has produced five different 1,000-yard running backs (and a few yards short of two more last year) in Mike Shanahan's 11 years as head coach. None of those backs was a first-rounder. So Kubiak should be able to get plenty of production, if not the home runs, out of Domanick Davis (3,195 yards in three seasons), Vernand Morency, or whomever.

    Granted, none of the backs mentioned is in Bush's league when it comes to acceleration and big-play ability. He's coming into the NFL being compared to all-time greats such as Sayers, Sanders and Faulk. Bush is special as a receiver and returner, too. He's instant offense. He's a game changer.

    But even if he goes on to be the best ever, Bush still won't change the game. Championships still are won with defense.

    From Pittsburgh, New England, Tampa Bay and Baltimore to the Giants, Bears, Steelers and Dolphins -- they all won Super Bowls with great defenses.

    Adding Bush to a Texans offense that already features Davis, Andre Johnson and Eric Moulds potentially would give Houston one of the league's most explosive attacks. Texans' opponents: You will have problems. But I have a hard time imagining Houston's offense being any better than the Colts' and Chiefs' have been the past four, five years. And how many Super Bowls have they won? That's right. None. Reason No. 1 is that they're still working on pairing those high-powered offenses with comparable defenses.

    Any good defense begins with an effective pass rush, which is why you don't pass up a chance to get a freak like Williams and why if you can help it you don't let the good ones go. Two years ago, the Giants acquired the No. 1 overall pick, Eli Manning, from the Chargers, but did so without general manager Ernie Accorsi's including a then-little-known defensive end by the name of Osi Umenyiora in the deal. Indianapolis let four-time 1,500-yard rusher James walk partly because it is going to need money to sign end Dwight Freeney. Notoriously frugal New England just broke the bank for Richard Seymour, perhaps the best defensive lineman in all of football.

    A Jevon Kearse, a Julius Peppers, a Simeon Rice, a Michael Strahan, a Jason Taylor … the Bruce Smiths, the Reggie Whites … those are the type of player around whom you build your defense and your team. Obviously, White and Rice are the only Super Bowl winners of the bunch, but the rest -- except Taylor -- were defensive catalysts for teams that reached the championship.

    The question is: What are the Texans trying to build? Short-term excitement or a title contender? Was owner Bob McNair sincere when he told the Texans' brain trust not to concern itself with selling tickets but, because winning fills seats, to select the best football player for the team long term?

    Houston's first mission has to be to catch the Colts, whom the Texans haven't beaten in eight tries. The teams that give Indianapolis trouble (New England, San Diego, Pittsburgh) are the ones that pressure Peyton Manning.

    Last year opposing quarterbacks completed nearly 65 percent of their passes and threw 24 touchdowns to just seven interceptions for an efficiency rating of 100.0 against Houston. The Texans lost six games last year in which they led in the second half, suffering five such defeats to end the season (and the Dom Capers era). Houston had the league's second-worst defense in 2005, its worst run defense, forced the fewest turnovers (16, none until the fifth game), and allowed a league-high 26.9 points per game.

    So, Houston, you want to try your luck in a shootout with the Colts? Take Bush. Want to get to Manning? Get Williams.

    The Texans are negotiating with the agents for both Bush and Williams, but I don't believe, as the skeptics do, that they're trying to use Williams to drive down Bush's price. I believe that, deep down, Kubiak and general manager Charley Casserly know what has to be done. I think they'd love to trade down a few slots, pick up a couple of picks, and still get Williams but they can't because no one wants to go up to the top spot and the Texans know passing Young and Bush won't be received well locally. Houston would never forgive the Texans if it turns out they picked Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.

    Except the Texans would be picking Shaquille O'Neal.

    "I've seen solid players, impact players," Titans coach Jeff Fisher told The (Nashville) Tennessean, "but nobody that has a potential to impact a defense like [Williams]."

    The game hasn't seen a man of Williams' size (6-foot-7, 295 pounds and growing -- he could carry 310) and strength (35 reps of 225 on the bench press) who moves (40-yard dash time in 4.6 to 4.7 seconds, 40½-inch vertical jump) with the knee-bend that he does. Cross Peppers with Seymour and add a touch of Minnesota's Kevin Williams and you get this kid. Peppers, scouts say, was more fluid in his change of direction and a bit quicker than Williams but was not as physical and didn't have as good a motor coming out of North Carolina. There hasn't been a defensive end prospect with Williams' package in years. Asked to whom he would compare Williams, our college scouting director replied, "Nobody. I've never seen anybody like him."

    Williams is that rare edge rusher who plays the run as well as he pursues the quarterback; he's no Freeney or Rice, i.e., a one-trick pony. Everyone talks about Bush's versatility but Williams not only can play but be effective all along the defensive line: at 4-3 base (left) end, 4-3 open-side (right, most often opposite the strong side) end, "three" technique (shading the guard's outside shoulder) tackle, or 3-4 end.

    With Bush, you're talking 15-20 touches a game plus a few returns. Williams will play 60 snaps a game and give the Texans more for their money. Speaking of money, it's true the Texans have a lot of it invested in their defensive line. Travis Johnson and Jason Babin are former first-round picks, Antwan Peek will play for the first-round restricted tender this year, Robaire Smith was a big signing two years ago and Anthony Weaver just got $12.5 million to sign. Perhaps the last thing the Texans need to do is invest more money in their defensive line, but they don't have anyone like Williams.

    No one does.

    Another thing: Williams has more -- yes -- upside than Bush. He's 21 years old, still raw. Dare I say it: We may already have seen the best of Bush. I can't help but wonder if it's possible for him to look any better or even as good, and the same goes for Matt Leinart, without the line and the supporting cast he played with at USC. It's like, Tom Cruise stars in a lot of good movies, but you add Jack Nicholson, Kiefer Sutherland, Kevin Bacon and Demi Moore and you've got "A Few Good Men."

    Wait until Williams gets NFL coaching and learns how to really use those long arms. At NC State the coaches didn't spend a lot of time teaching hand techniques and such. "I feel like the sky's the limit," Williams said.

    Critics point to the fact that 13½ of Williams' 14½ sacks last season came in the Wolfpack's final seven games and wonder about his consistency. Williams offered an interesting explanation for that. It took him four games to figure out how to better deal with cut blocks. Instead of wasting time pushing down with both hands on blockers' shoulder pads and stepping around the block the way linemen are taught, Williams learned how to handle blockers with one hand or just hurdle them. He had three sacks in NC State's fifth game, against Wake Forest.

    A longtime defensive line coach says that on film, Williams appears to be playing a bit "cautious." Williams concurred with the observation. At NC State, the ends' first responsibility was outside containment (bootlegs, reverses) and at one point they weren't even allowed to take an inside rush. That discipline might give the impression that Williams was taking plays off. "I don't feel like my play changed from the beginning of the season to the end of the season," he said. "Maybe my numbers were different, but I ran the same way."

    In the short term, Williams wouldn't impact Houston's defense the way Bush would the Texans' offense. They'd still have a lot of holes on defense. The offense is on its way, ready to set it off. Still, the end is the way to go.

    Williams says he'd like to go No. 1 overall, but he's more concerned about where his team picks in the future.

    "I want to go to a team that's going to best utilize my abilities, so I can help them win a championship," he said, "and maybe next year we can be at the 32nd pick."

    Bush or Williams? Williams or Bush? The Texans can't go wrong either way. But the right choice is Williams.
     
    #1 Chilly_Pete, Apr 30, 2006
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  2. Blitz

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    what a great read. I love the williams pick more and more each time i think about it. If our O-line gets any better and out D is in the 15s this year overall, playoffs are a real chance in Houston
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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    There is a case to be made. But I think he's the riskier pick. He comes with more question marks and I don't know how high his upside really is. Bush was about as sure a prospect as it gets and his upside was tremendous.
     
  4. Chilly_Pete

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    The interesting thing about that article was that it was written days before official word came in that the Texans were going to draft Mario. And the reasons he gave for picking Mario, were exactly why the Texans said they took him.

    Here is his column from today.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2426963

    Mario goes to Houston

    If you read my column last Monday, then you already know my feelings -- and obviously the Texans felt the same way -- about Houston taking Mario Williams over USC's Reggie Bush. So the only thing that surprises me is that more people don't agree.

    I guess people are just having a hard time comprehending how the Texans could take a player most fans and many in the media (including myself, in all honesty) never had heard of before the scouting combine over one who we had watched in amazement for two years. Nobody seemed to believe Houston, but it's obvious now that the Texans were serious about going one way or the other.

    They went the right way.

    It's not about Williams being a better player than Bush. That's debatable. It's about who's better for the Texans. That's been my point all draft week. It's about the more valuable, more impact position -- defensive end. It's about having a potentially explosive offense or a competitive defense. Houston gave up the most points in the league last year. Opposing quarterbacks put up MVP-type numbers against Houston: 65 percent, 24 touchdowns, seven interceptions, a 100.0 efficiency rating. Unless Bush was going to play cornerback, too, he wouldn't have helped the Texans in that department. And thus he wouldn't have helped Houston add a Super Bowl championship to the national title the state's university won this year anytime soon, because defense wins ... well, you know.

    Houston never has beaten Indianapolis in eight tries. If the Texans are to ever overtake the Colts they have to start harassing Peyton Manning the way the Chargers, Patriots, and Steelers do. And now the Texans have to deal with Vince Young in the division. They see Byron Leftwich twice a year. Williams made more sense.

    And while we're on the subject of cents (and dollars), believe me when I tell you that Williams over Bush was not a financial decision, either. Take that back, finances had a little something to do with it. The Texans had reservations about paying $9 million a year to a player who they weren't certain was going to carry the ball more than 15 times a game. Sure when he's on the field he has to be accounted for but, in Houston's mind, it's questionable accounting to invest so much in a player out of whom a team may get the most if his touches are limited. We'll soon see. And don't think the Texans didn't notice Bush standing on the sideline at key moments of the Rose Bowl.

    Back to Williams. A lot of people like to point out that all but one of his 14½ sacks came in NC State's first four games and that he had a sack in only 16 of his 36 collegiate games. Well, how many players have a sack in every game? Production by an end can't always be measured in sacks. The Texans studied the film and saw how often Williams pressured the quarterback out of the pocket or drew double teams and extra attention or penetrated the backfield (52 tackles for loss along with 25½ sacks in his career). The Texans didn't have a defensive player that teams feared, and Williams' presence should make not just Houston's defensive line but also its young secondary better.
     
    #4 Chilly_Pete, Apr 30, 2006
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  5. ShaqHater

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    The other interesting thing about that article is that, in the very next part of the article (which you did not quote), Smith goes on to mention that he is a native New Orleanian and a Saints fan, and literally rejoiced in the Saints having the opportunity to draft Bush (he writes that he almost cried), so perhaps he had an ulterior motive here that can shed some light on the reason for his analysis that the Texans should pick Mario -- so that the Saints could get Bush :mad: :mad: :mad:

    I'm not questioning the validity of the Texans' choice of Williams over Bush -- I'm just pointing out that the impartiality of this writer is dubious at best.
     
  6. Chilly_Pete

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    I don't really know whether he is impartial or not. I just found it interesting that during a time when everyone was saying Bush was a lock for being the Texans pick, he made arguments on why they should pick Mario. The same arguments that ultimately convinced the Texans to pick him.
     
  7. Bogey

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    How highly was Mario rated prior to his combine workout? Just a question I've had.
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Well I agree with him, ends have more impact. reggie bush would be fun to watch, but you don't need a great rusher to win, just a great running game. priest holmes was the best rusher in the league for two or three years, he was undrafted.
     
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    I heard on the radio this morning that a lot of scouts were saying that Mario hasn't even been coached yet. Many scouts were saying before the draft that Mario's learning curve should be huge because of the apparently bad coaching he received at NC State.

    I like the sound of that. Makes me think that he isn't even close to his potential. Yet. Let him get coached by a few good NFL coaches and watch him grow.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    Which have more impact?

    DE or QB?

    LOL - Yeah, I know.....

    Good article though, and I wish the Texan's well with their new DE.

    DD
     
  11. swilkins

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    I honestly didn't think the Texans were serious about Mario. The only highlight clips I have seen for Mario are the ones that ESPN has.

    Some say that he started the year slow and kicked ass as the season went on. He had a great day at the combine. Sometimes that is all a team needs to convince them. Personally, I'm going to give it a chance, but I still would have picked Bush.

    I can see a very effective defensive front 4 rotation in the making.

    I want Manning, Leftwich, and Young on the ground. CC and Kube said that in order to beat your division rivals, you have to stop them. Well... I just re-up'd my season tickets. I expected to see an electrified offense. I trust what Kube wants, and will wait and see how it goes.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    michael smith is a rising star over at espn. the guy was a sports writer for the boston globe in his early twenties, that's pretty inpressive. that's where bob ryan writes and also that guy who left espn with max kellerman to do an around the horn spot on fox. can't remember his name. but the guy is one of espn's better talents, and I only usually agree with him 50% of the time.
     
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    The cut block bit was very interesting. To me, it sounds more and more the coaching deficiency is a big reason why Mario's stock shot up as time went on. Not necessarily because of the combine. As teams did research and realized that he was, in part, having to figure some of this stuff out on his own (to me, it sounds like he had to solve the cut block problem himself), he started shooting up the boards of everyone who think they can teach how to fully utilize his amazing physical skills.
     
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    We really aren't comparing a QB and a DE, nobody thought that Houston would pick a QB anyway. It was all about Super Mario or Bush.

    BTW the answer to your question in the case of the Texans is definitely the DE, just ask all the DE's that played against the Texans. Carr is just as good at picking turf from his face mask as Young or Liehart would be.
     
  15. DieHard Rocket

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    That list of DE's tells it all...look how many of them have been on Super Bowl teams, some of them multiple times. That's amazing.

    What a lot of people don't think about is by picking Mario we helped out the secondary too. Less time to throw means less time for the receivers to get open (aren't we used to that) ... and more bad throws for interceptions. That's probably why the Texans weren't concerned with getting a DB in the draft...the one's we have will get a better opportunity with a better pass rush.
     
  16. pgabriel

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    that list of de's should have one guy at the top of their list. Charles haley. that's the guy you hope your defensive end will become, haley in his prime. he anchored a san fran defense, then turned around and anchored a dallas defense. the guy was a bad ass who shut down a passing game when he got hot. i used to love to watch that guy.
     
  17. MadMax

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    i didn't like him when he played for the cowboys! but you're absolutely right
     

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