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make mobley 6th man move steve to 2 spot

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Yao1134, Dec 3, 2002.

  1. Yao1134

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    what position is tj ford and lebron james. would either one of them be a good running mate for francis?
     
  2. codell

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    Good take. I totally agree.

    And to elaborate on the topic, moving Steve to SG creates more problems that it solves. Lord knows we dont want Moochie starting and Maddox is not ready to take over the point. Also, Steve cant even guard players his size on a consistant basis, much less some of the SGs in the west, like Finley, Bryant, Barry, etc.

    Furthermore, Steve needs to have the ball in his hands to fully utilize his abilities. Turn him into a SG where he will get less touches, and you are taking away from his game and making him less of a player. Steve is not a catch and shoot type of player, which seems to be what many of you are suggesting by moving him to SG. And asking him to all of the sudden become that type of player would be virtually impossible.
     
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    a good way for steve to become a shooting guard would be to trade mobley ,kt ,titto for eric snow and derrick coleman
     
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    What makes you think Eric Snow is even available?

    I can almost guarantee hes not. Hes the 2nd best player on a playoff contender in the weak east.
     
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    Codell, I agree. Although Steve isn't a great PG yet, he doesn't really fit at SG either. I wish Steve would run the point like Nash does. Nash is an energizer bunny, constantly pushing the ball up, getting into the lane, causing havoc. I think this is something Francis definitely can do. Like Nash, he never runs out of energy. He's still getting rebounds over bigger guys in the 4th quarter. The only thing is, Steve has to LEARN how to be that type of point guard. Nash didn't get this way overnight, it took a lot of development on his part.
     
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    i disagree, francis just would carry the ball down court as much. he would move off the weak side creating attention and double teams giving someone open. and who ever would run the point would just have to be quick enough to get any attention there for u have a point guard the defense has to concentrate on as well as steve plus yao. i think we could give alot of teams headaches.
     
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    Exactly. The solution is not to move Steve to a position that hes not suited for offensively or defensively.

    At this point, Steve just needs to continue to grow and learn and God willing, one day he will finally "get it" and become the player we are all hoping he can be.
     
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    maybe your right and he is not available. but he was just an example if we shopped around or maybe even got a free agent we could really do some damage if we had a point guard whos base game was quickness and passing. cuz we already have an allstar center in the making and having a quick guard to go with steve would really put us back on the map.
     
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    i would like to know who can come up with the best way to turn the rockets around if moving mobley some how or another and steve to the 2 spot wont do it what will.
     
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    Their names are Rudy T and Carrol D. Have faith.
     
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    oh i have lots of faith, its just steve has needs someone who can run the floor better with him.
     
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    k.anderson
    francis
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    yao

    now that offense ran by anderson and francis would keep a good flow on this team.
     
  13. codell

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    K. Anderson is a backup. Not a starter. Not to mention the fact that hes a poor shooter.
     
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    I am not so sure that if Mobley would be wanting to play second fiddle. I am pretty sure if he got benched then he would demand to be traded to a team where he can some attention.
     
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    well true team players do what the team needs to win if he cries to go to another team then he definatly would not be a team player, and the object is to not bring anpther shooter here we need a passer
     
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    and i forgot ot add that i think we should work on this titto maddox guy thats another nba body we have who knows he might have some passing skills maybe we dont need a trade maybe its playing time. and running plays
     
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    At the half, ESPN's Dan Patrick was interviewed on Rocket's Radio. He said the Rockets don't have a true point guard; that Mobley and Frances essentially play the same position. He added that a team can't really get a consistent "rhythm" without a true point guard. He also that the Rockets have alot of dead wood contracts: Taylor, Rice, etc.
     
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    What makes Dan "Jackass" Patrick such an expert on the Rockets? I highly doubt he has seen more then 2 Rockets game the entire season.

    If he hasn't seen that many game then he wouldn't know if he need a true pg. :rolleyes: He is just repeating the popuar theory all wannabe experts have out there. That "Steve is really a two".

    WTF does moving contracts have anything to do with our situation? We are all ready so much over the cap that moving a contract or two wont really matter.


    As for you Cat haters just read my sig.
     
  19. MManal

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    I dont buy this whole argument that Steve cant play off the ball. Steve actually does play a chunk of every game off the ball when Moochie comes in and still gets his opportunities. The thing is that Mooch is just not very good at running things either. If the Rockets atleast had a backup PG that could run things with Steve at the 2, the offense would run a whole lot smoother.

    Steve has improved some in terms of his PG abilities, but its so obvious that this is really preventing him from playing his natural game. He'll have stretches where he defers and lets the offense run through Yao, but then he'll also have times where he just has to take the ball against a stacked defense and throw up a tough shot. The Rockets blew a 10 pt lead today when Steve stopped deferring to Yao and tried to take things over. Luckily, Mooch was playing reasonably well today and was brought in to take the ball out of Steve's hands b/c he was making a string of idiotic decisions that started spreading to the rest of the team. With the ball out of Steve's hands, the Rockets went back to what had been working all night.

    I also dont buy this height thing. Cuttino and Steve are not very different height wise; Ive heard Cat's 6-4 height is a little exaggerated. If you see them stand next to each other, Cat and Steve look about the same height. Thus, if Cat can play 2, Steve can as well. In any case, whether this team is good defensively will have a lot more to do with the interior defense than whether or not a 2 guard is defending well.

    A true PG has a lot of responsibilities that Steve is not performing well. First off, the PG is supposed to run an effective fast break which Steve has never performed consistently. Also, the PG is supposed to make sure everyone gets involved and not force bad shots/situations. Steve has had trouble with this as well. Point guards are supposed to have an idea as to where the strengths are in the offense and how to set the proper people up to exploit those strengths. This is where the IQ part of it comes in. PGs need to think and make intelligent decisions w/o causing a bunch of turnovers. They need to make sure the ball is moving and the offense is not stagnating. Steve Francis is a phenomenal athletic talent that can score, but just has not been able to perform these tasks on a consistent basis. He just does not have the basketball IQ to be the PG this team needs. Steve needs to move to the 2.
     
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    the rox won! but to stay on topic dan is a jackass but he does have a point francis and mobley are almost the same position. but our dead contracts will be cleared within 2years but if yao keeps playing this way it may not be as necessary to move mobley. i just hope that mobleys comeback takes away from yao's shot attempts
     

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