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Majority of Americans Don't Approve of Job Bush is Doing, Say War Was a Mistake.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MacBeth, May 14, 2004.

  1. ZRB

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    Any chance of me still being in America during the 2005 NBA playoffs is hinging on that.
     
  2. Faos

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    It'll be interesting to see what happens when Iraq is turned back over to them June 30th. Then there is the terrorist factor. I'd be willing to be they pull something again close to the election date like they did in Spain. There is too many things that can happen between now and then.

    And who knows how many times Carter, er, Kerry will have flip/flopped by then?
     
  3. peleincubus

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    all i know is i have heard more people b**** and moan about Mr. Bush then any other president before in my life.

    so lets hope that ='s him getting banished for all the crap he has done.

    enviroment
    rich people getting richer
    killing thousands of people for no reason, in iraq.
     
  4. Batman Jones

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    Hard to figure how Bush makes up such incredible deficits on domestic issues and Iraq and terror are only getting worse for him.

    http://www.pollingreport.com/wh2004.htm#Misc

    Time/CNN Poll conducted by Harris Interactive. May 12-13, 2004. N=1,001 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.1.

    "Which candidate -- George W. Bush or John Kerry -- do you think would do a better job on each of the following issues? . . ."

    Handling the war on terrorism: Bush 49 Kerry 42 Not Sure 9 Bush +7
    Moral values: Bush 46 Kerry 42 Not Sure 12 Bush+4
    Handling foreign policy: Bush 44 Kerry 46 Not Sure 10 Kerry+2
    Handling the situation in Iraq: Bush 43 Kerry 46 Not Sure 11 Kerry+3
    Taxes: Bush 41 Kerry 47 Not Sure 12 Kerry+6
    Gay marriage: Bush 39 Kerry 39 Not Sure 22 Tied
    Handling the economy: Bush 38 Kerry 51 Not Sure 11 Kerry+13
    Reducing unemployment: Bush 36 Kerry 52 Not Sure 12 Kerry+16
    Reducing the deficit: Bush 34 Kerry 52 Not Sure 14 Kerry+18
    Health care: Bush 33 Kerry 52 Not Sure 15 Kerry+19
    Protecting the environment: Bush 33 Kerry 55 Not Sure 12 Kerry+22


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  5. pirc1

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    Well, I did not vote for either Bush or Gore last time because I couldn't really decide. This time I will vote for anyone but Bush. To think I actually thought he might make a good president in 2000.

    :mad:

    Mark
     
  6. Fegwu

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    I would like to believe that nobody believes in that rubbish.


    Speaking about elections - I have a problem supporting or voting for a anyone who is dumb.....period. I am allergic to unintelligent people.
     
  7. Faos

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    How can Kerry be judged against Bush in many of these topics? How has Kerry reduced employment? (Which Bush has done well with of late.) Reduced the deficit? Protected the environment? Or are people just speculating based on the "promises" Kerry makes?
     
  8. Faos

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    I have a hard time believing Bush is dumb. Sure, he is portrayed that way on SNL and late night shows.

    I've always said one of Bush's problem is he's not good at delivering a speech. And he's horrible at reading a teleprompter. But dumb? I don't think someone can accomplish the things he has in life by being dumb.
     
  9. Batman Jones

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    This seems to be your main beef with Kerry -- that he hasn't done these things yet. You do realize you could apply this criticism to any non-incumbent candidate in US history, right? Do you think only people who have been president are qualified to be president?
     
  10. Faos

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    That's a different topic. I honestly want to know how someone could answer those poll topics not having anything to go by? I have more of a problem with the poll than the candidate in this case.
     
  11. Fegwu

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    The polls coming out now are all interesting and great lightening rods for discussion points but I am holding out until after labor day to really taking them serious because of the numerous potential twists and turns that could come up between now and at least September 1st.

    I can't wait to see if Pat Roberstson's vision and encounter with God alledging that God spoke to him that GWB will be re-ellected. I personally hate it when people say things like that because the God (Jehova) I know does not carry Himself like that. Pat better be right otherwise..........

    The Iraq issue seems that it will not get better regardless of what happens in on June 30th. The economy will remain mediocre for the remaining parts of this year. The gay marriage movement will prevail this summer. GWB will re-sign and extend the assault riffle ban. The deficit will grow larger. Interest rates will increase in the summer. Medicare solvency will be revised again before the year runs out. Gas prices will hit all time highs in the summer. The remaining fotos [sic] and videos of the Abu Ghraib prison abuse will be unearthed and available for all to see (one way or the other) before November.

    These and many more common sense "happenstances" will very likely be as opined but I still feel would prefer to wait until later to feel good about the possibillity of an to GWB and the restoration of nomalcy and intelligence into the white house. It is really going to be interesting.



    PS. There is no pole to support this but the quality news coverage in this country (especially on TV) is at its all time low. Domestic issues are hardly covered or highlighted; foreign affairs are sensationalized for ratings sake. I believe this is not good for America better it encourages the cocoon mentallity that is prevalent in our nation - it is just like quasi cencorship (a rather improper delivering and often misguiding of public opinion laden news). Sometimes I wonder about this our brand of democracy (even though I still believe it is the best alternative for us at least for now). Or is democracy with a poorly "informed" and "educated" electorate still the way we anticipated it?
     
  12. Fegwu

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    Without mincing words, it is my opinion that he is NOT intelligent (though he may have some country savvy). And this is not a misguided opinion but rather one that is widely accepted not by those who hate or love him rather by those I have "interviewed" during my travels accross Europe and Africa.

    But I am very very impressed with Karl Rove. He is IMHO one of the most intelligent politically minds in the country today - a great benefit to GWB. My fear is that is he maybe the psuedo president, vice president or first lady. His "influence", which is undoubtably his strength, will likely be his and his boss' demise.
     
  13. Jeff

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    There are quite a few people out there who think a garden slug, if elected, would have a more positive impact on a number of key political issues than Bush.

    What you see in the polls is a mix of two things:

    1. People who believe that Bush has been so bad that anyone could do a better job.
    2. People who believe that Democrats and/or liberals have better solutions.

    It isn't just about John Kerry. People don't just vote for people, they also vote for ideology. Since Kerry as a person is about as likeable as a communion wafer, a lot of what is seen in the polls is reflected in ideology.

    Remember that Gore had about the same personality and policy ideas and, if not for questionable vote counting and Ralph Nader, he's our president right now. And, to take it even a step further, only about 50 percent of eligible voters voted in 2000. The demographics of those who don't normally vote have ALWAYS skewed to the left because they include large amounts of the poor and minorities, groups that vote almost exclusively Democrat when they do vote. But, that's a whole other topic.

    I get the sense that you are discounting a LOT when it comes to Kerry as if everyone who places their vote in these polls is doing it based on the details they've read about Kerry's policy. I'm not sure why you would have that impression.
     
  14. Faos

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    I don't have a problem with a poll asking "who will you vote for".

    But when they get to specifics on foreign policy, etc, it's just speculation. If people aren't voting in the polls based on Kerry's on paper policy what can they judge it on? I'd have the same questions if the rolls were reversed, like Bush vs Clinton as BJ mentioned. I don't remember those polls but it would be interesting to read the details from 4 years ago.
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    To be fair, I have known some communion wafers that could really hit a punchline and never once put anyone down.

    :D
     
  16. GladiatoRowdy

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    Personally, I would rather take the chance that Kerry's foreign policy would resemble what he says in his stump speeches. I love his ideas for fighting the war on terror and I further believe he can help us exit Iraq gracefully with the help of the worldwide community.
     
  17. rockbox

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    Because bush is doing so bad in many of these topics such as the deficit and the environment, that few could fathom anyone doing any worse.
     
  18. Deckard

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    The polls become important, Faos, when you compare the recent numbers with similar polls taken at the same point of the election cycle during previous presidential elections. When you make that comparison, Bush is in deep trouble. When you compare elections involving incumbent presidents at this point of the election cycle, then Bush looks even worse.

    And the reason the numbers for those different topics matter is that they show trends in the thinking of likely voters, again something that can be compared to previous elections and the polls from earlier in this election cycle. Taken together, Karl Rove is chewing Rolaids.
     
  19. Faos

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    Again, just speculation. He could end up being much worse. Or the best president ever. That's way I don't like most of those polls.
     
  20. nyrocket

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    You really think this is going to happen? If so, why?

    You might argue that his Presidential appointment and his Gubernatorial election qualify as accomplishments. I would say that being a politically expedient marionette, an easily manipulated figurehead for a fringe movement grown out of control is not an accomplishment. be that as it may, I would love for you to enumerate his many other accomplishments as I am unfamiliar with anything beyond his spectacular business failures and sweetheart deals given to cash in on his family's political might. Thanks.
     

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