*legally*, he probably can't but the union sure can't be happy about his snitching (not even sure if the union or MLB would be in charge of pension or not) .....if so, I'm sure they can make it "difficult" for him to get it
They were saying most of the folx busted For ROIDING are Pitchers Does Barry get some Cred for bashing the ball around against ROIDED UP PITCHERS? Babe never Faced any 'ROIDED UP PITCHERS . . . or Black ones either Rocket River *grin*
Last time I checked Hank Aaron has the record and he went against black pitchers. Barry gets no cred from me because he's still a cheat and if he gets the record there will always be an * in my eyes.
Barry Bonds didn't face very many black pitchers during his best home run hitting years. There's just not many black pitchers in the game. There's only a handful of good ones - Sabathia, Dontrelle (sucks this year), Tom Gordon (?)...who else is there? Back in the early 90s there were a few more like Dave Stewart and Doc Gooden, but honestly black pitchers are few and far between.
You are correct. Bonds missed out on most of the good black pitchers (Gibson, Blue, Downing, Richard, Ellis). The big difference is that Ruth (and to a lesser extent Aaron) missed out on the numerous good Latino pitchers.
yeah that's true but not the point. if you only face white pitchers you don't get matched up against the best black and latino pitchers.
Numbers didn't go down following integration. There is no evidence to suggest that Ruth would have fared worse against an integrated league than he did in the era he played in. In fact, Ruth had more disadvantages than advantages in comparison to more contemporary players. He played for 6 years in the dead-ball era, he faced pitchers throwing from a higher mound, the seasons were shorter so he got fewer plate appearances, there were fewer teams, which means that each team had a higher concentration of pitching talent (this would somewhat offset the reduction in available talent due to segregation), and he spent time at the beginning of his career as a pitcher, which further reduced his opportunities to hit. Lowering the mound had an immediate impact on hitting numbers, as did getting rid of the dead ball. On the other hand, with the integration of baseball, hitting numbers did not take a significant hit. Batting averages for both leagues increased following integration. Roger Maris hit 61, breaking Ruths, single season mark in 1961, 14 years after integration, when there where players of color throughout the league (eg Bob Gibson). In light of all that, let's quit using the segregation of baseball as an argument against Ruth. There is just no evidence that segregation helped him.
oh i totally agree, wasn't trying to hold anything against ruth. i was just pointing out the reason people are bringing up race.
I don't like the fact that a lot of the names he apparently gave are players that he "suspects" are doing HGH or other banned substances. He should only name players that he KNOWS are doing it, from first hand experience. Otherwise, it's all conjecture and we still won't know the truth. I hope there are no Astros on his list.
Not to mention the fact that many stadiums back then had nearly twice as big of outfields as the stadiums do today....
My honest take on the whole thing is that Grimsley's doing this stunt mostly for the publicity, much like Canseco. Remember, this is the guy that went through the ceiling at New Comiskey to save Albert Belle's corked bat. He's a thief, he's a cheat, and maybe he thinks he's doing some sort of good, but he will undoubtedly name some names that should not be on the list, just for publicity. I'm willing to bet that at least half of the people he names would not test positive for HGH.
But Barry never faced a female pitcher either... "Although not a AAGPBL player, 17 year old female minor-league pitching sensation, Jackie Mitchell struck out Babe Ruth and Lou Gerhig back to back in an exhibition game between the New York Yankees and the Chattanooga lookouts on May 11, 1931. The following day Baseball commissioner Kenesaw M. Landis cancelled her minor-league contract siting that baseball was too demanding for women. " Wow...can you imagine walking back to the dugout after that? I guess Lou didn't want him to feel too bad so he joined him.
I don't think there is currently a test (definitely no urine analysis) to detect HGH. So I'm guessing none of the names will test positive for HGH. It's all about how players will be linked to HGH, much like how Bonds is linked to steroids as he has not failed a drug test(to my knowledge).
