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Maine Legalizes Same-Sex Marriage

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DonnyMost, May 6, 2009.

  1. JLEW1818

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    I'm asking you personally, would you want 2 gay men to be your parents, over 1male and 1female loving parents?
     
  2. Lil Pun

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    Another assumption. I'm not liberal. Try again hypocrite.
     
  3. JLEW1818

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    Yall can try and be politically correct all you want. But I know, none of yall would want 2 gays. I don’t care what you say, or what dumb stat u point at.

    My views won’t change, and neither will yalls. We are all wasting our time. At lease I kept yall busy! Haha. And this debate is nothing personal at all, so please don’t have anything personal with me please.

    At least we can talk about these things in America, without being killed
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Actually it is you, who have bad evidence. Basing something on one example that you are familiar with, instead of studies which go out of their way to get many many many examples from all different types of situations isn't good evidence.

    IT is also questionable to call "a friend of a friend" that you claim to know about actual first hand knowledge. Familiarize yourself with scientific research and studies, and compare that to your experience with the friend of a friend, and try again on what is or isn't good evidence.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    I had one male and one female parent. I was happy with that. Having two loving parents regardless of sex is what's important. I could care less if someone is gay or isn't.
     
  6. Lil Pun

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    Again, unless you have been a part of that environment and not just an observer of one, how can you be so sure? Why is it OK for you to base your views on your experiences but not OK for the rest of us to do the same. I'll be honest, I won't say that it wouldn't have bothered me growing up in such an environment but I will say I do not know. I'm biracial and, at times, that bothered me growing up but that characteristic also made me the person I am today and a much better person at that.

    I'll agree to this, nobody is going to change anybody's mind debating but it is still nice to be able to do so.
     
  7. JLEW1818

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    That's all folks. Thanks for letting me play! '

    Yall keep the gays and the weed.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Thank you for having a civil discussion. Please feel free to debate any time.
     
  9. Landlord Landry

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    wow, what a completely useless link. did you even read that 2 year old article?

    even the authors of those studies say they need more research and that niether side of the opposition have trust in each others methods of collecting data.

    I won't get into this debate..........it will go nowhere on this heavily liberal laden board.
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    Since it isn't conclusive there are of course more studies that need to be done. It would be silly to think that in such a short period of time(the amount of time there have been same sex parents) that anyone would have all the answers.

    Yet based on the studies we have so far there is evidence. The problem I had was that you claimed someone's opinion(who provided no real evidence) was fact.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    via kos - Michael Steele, he of considerable gravitas, ridiculed by many, loved by one, has weighed in on the matter with the official GOP stance:

    Clinging to a wedge issue from 10 years ago that is killing your party = awesomeness.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    While nothing is conclusive you may be interested to read about 21 different studies on the topic.

    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gays...dren-of-gay-parents-just-like-other-kids.html

    It is more evidence than anything that was presented arguing against same sex parenting.
     
  13. Qball

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    Keeping the "if I ruled the world" mentality out of this.....Isn't it as simple as:

    A man cannot be "christian" married to a man. That goes against the established religion. Doing this would not be considered a marriage according to Christianity. Christians can denounce this type of marriage.

    A man can marry another man as long as they don't do it in association with christianity. They can create their own religion and call it "marriage" (as it is just a word in the english language and no religion has dibs on a word) and then get married. Nobody can intrude on their religion as this country gives freedom of religion. As long gays aren't getting married and claiming to be christian, there shouldn't be a problem.


    JLEW, I would agree with you that most people (if given a choice) would choose to have a man and woman for parents. But so what? That doesn't mean you have the right to enforce your opinion on others. If that one person in the world wants gay parents, so be it. You can't (at least you shouldn't be able to) do anything about it LEGALLY. You can be against it all you want but it doesn't mean you can stop someone else. Homosexuality, unless proven otherwise, cannot physically or mentally affect you so why would you care?
     
  14. Landlord Landry

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    Thanks dude! I love studies....so accurate.....check this one out!
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/06/texas-is-only-6000-years-old/

    another.....
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencea...con-sandwich-really-does-cure-a-hangover.html


    just let it go franchise, you will not convince me of anything. If you want to pretend in your lil bizzare-o world that a man can emulate the natural tendencies of a mother....( or a woman vise-versa) thats fine with me, I'm just a wing-nut neo con anyway..........there, just saved us about 50+ posts. ;)
     
  15. Grizzled

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    Actually they do. Ramadan is a word that belongs to the Islamic religion, for example. The government couldn't just seize it and redefine it. Hanukkah is another word that belongs to a centuries old religious tradition, and so is the word marriage.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    I don't pretend to think I would convince you of anything. I haven't called you or anyone else a wingnut. I was merely talking about evidence. The 6000 year old TExas one isn't exactly a study. The other one is one study. This is 21 different studies that all have the same conclusion.

    You don't have to believe it. But don't act like I'm in the bizzarro world. I'm in the world backed by evidence, data, and studies. I'm not sure why I am the one pretending since I'm the one that's provided numerous studies and evidence to back up my position.

    I don't mind not agreeing on a topic, but it is strange for you not to recognize who's pretending what in this debate.
     
  17. GladiatoRowdy

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    So, you are going to base your opinion on the anecdotal evidence of one person you knew as opposed to a scientific study?

    Tells a lot about you, to be sure.
     
  18. Qball

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    What? Where did you learn that? How can a religion "own" a word. A word can be created by religion, but that doesn't make it exclusive to the religion. It's just a word. When I got married....see what I did there? I used a christian word to describe my very non-christian wedding right? Can the pope sue me?

    So end result is that if gays would call it something other than "marriage", nobody would be complaining?
     
  19. Landlord Landry

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    did you read the article linked? there is nothing scientific about it.
     
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    Not about the article, but the studies behind the article...
     

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