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Magic Number! Countdown to the PLAYOFFS..

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bigboymumu, Mar 5, 2004.

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  1. daoshi

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    Since the Jazz just lost to the Mavs, the best they can get is 44-38, which means a result of 45-37 will secure 7th seed for the Rockets, mathematically. Hence, the Magic number is 2.
     
  2. Will

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    Excuse me while I puke over the fact that we're biting our nails and praying for other teams to lose in the last week just so we can scrape into the playoffs.
     
  3. daoshi

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    No body remembers how you get in the playoff, as long as you get in. Did Houston's title mean less because they were a lower seed?
     
  4. TraJ

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    You'd think we haven't been there in awhile or something.
     
  5. qzf2qk

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    Houston beats Denver
    San Antonio beats Portland

    Houston beats Utah

    Houston Cliches playoff birth

    But the question is what spot do we need to be in, 7th or 8th now that Minnesota is in 1st?
     
  6. Tim

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    What's clear is:

    Our magic number to beat Denver is 3.
    Our magic number to beat Portland is 2 (because we own the tiebreaker).
    Our magic number to beat Utah is 2.

    If we win any two of our remaining four games, we're in, because that would put us at 45 wins and it's only mathematically possible for one of the three teams chasing us to get to 45.

    What's not clear is if our magic number (combination of Rockets wins + opponent losses) is two, because of all the tie-breaker combinations. We're pretty sure it is ... but we're having Elias Sports Bureau check our math.

    It's more just a fun point for the media and for the fans. What everyone really wants, of course, is for the team just win games and make all of this irrelevant.

    Tim
     
  7. scutmb

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    As long as we beat Denve and Portaland lose tonight. Houston will be # 7 or #8 almost for sure, because Utah will lose to Minny at Minny. The possibility Minne Lost Utha is very low. Beauce last night's victory over King helped him get to the top. They are not going to loss the top spot in home easily. And because Potland and Denver still need to paly each other, So only one of them can get 44/38 after tonight's loss. So a biggest game tonight!
     
  8. B-Bob

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    Props to you. Seriously, scutmb. I think it's really cool that you are using your new prosthetic fingers already and bravely posting on the BBS.
     
  9. Bobliu

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    If both the Rox and the Spurs win tonight, will the Rox get their tix to the playoffs? Suupose that happened, the worst that could happen would be Rox lost thier reminaing games and Denver, Utah, and Portland win all their remaining games. That would give Rox, Jazz, Nuggets and the Blazers the same records: 44-38.

    Rox vs Nuggets: Head to Head would be 2-2 but Nuggets have the better conference record;

    Rox vs Jazz: Head to Head would be 2-2 but Utah holds the better conference record;

    Rox vs Portland: Head to Head would be 3-1.

    Obviously, Portland is less of threat especially their schedule is much tougher. The Rox has to beat Utah to hold their faith in their own hands.
     
  10. scutmb

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    B-BoB, compare to you, I am chicken! I never dare to finger point over someone here or there. If you do not understand, why do you read? I am not the one spent 1 hour to check spelling here, just show my thinking not my typing, it's not lsecretory job, is itn't?
     
  11. B-Bob

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    I'm sorry. :( I guess I was wrong about the prosthetics, but that's good news! You have healthy, natural fingers, and we can celebrate that at least. :) On the other hand, you do not have to make fun of my costumes by bringing up that "chicken" comment! :eek:
     
  12. Kayman

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    Since my other thread got locked, I'll repost this here. Coming into the Thursday schedule the Rockets needed a Texas sweep on Thursday-Friday to clinch a playoff spot. Dallas already beat Utah. Now if Houston and San Antonio both win today the Rockets are theoretically in the playoffs.

    With a win tonight the worst the Rockets can finish is 44-38.
    With the the loss yesterday the best Utah can finish is 44-38.
    With a loss today, the best Denver can finish is 44-38.
    With a loss today the best Portland can finish is 44-38.

    Portland and Denver have one game left between them. This means that it is impossible for both teams to finish 44-38, the best that they can do is one to finish 44-38 and the other 43-39. In that case the Rockets are assured to finish ahead of the loser of the Portland-Denver game, which would leave (in the worst case) to a three-way tie with the winner of the POR-DEN game and Utah. The last team from the three-way tie will miss the playoffs and the Rockets are assured NOT to be the last.

    Here are the possibilities:

    1.Three way tie Denver-Utah-Houston
    With a win today and a loss tomorrow by the Rockets the head to head record will be:
    7. Denver 5-3
    8. Rockets 4-4
    9. Utah 3-5
    Denver and Houston are in, Utah is out.

    2. Three way tie Portland-Utah-Houston
    With a loss tomorrow the head-to-head record will be.
    7. Rockets 5-3
    8. Utah 4-4
    9. Portl. 3-5

    Houston and Utah are in Portland is out.

    So go Rockets and go San Antonio, let's wrap up things today!!!!
     
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    we will be playing Kings then. Bad..
     
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    I do not think head to head is counted that way. Rox vs Denver head to head is 2:2 and Denver has the better conference record. So Denver in. Rox vs. Jazz head to head is 2:2 and Jazz has the better conference record. So Jazz in. Rox would be the odd one out if this happened.
     
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    This is an assumpation not fact.
     
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    Three-Team Tiebreaker
    1. Best head-to-head winning percentage among all teams tied
    2. Highest winning percentage in conference games
    3. Highest winning percentage within division (if teams are in the same division)
    4. Highest winning percentage against playoff teams in own conference
    5. Highest point differential between points scored and points allowed
     
  17. chris845

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    I think in the unlikely scenario that if all of these four teams end up with the same record, then I think the 2 teams with the better record between all four teams will get the #7 and #8 spots. This is because you use that tiebreaker before the conference records against the west. Anyway here's how each team did against who in the unlikely event that ALL four teams finish with the same record at 44-38.

    HOU:
    POR 3-1
    DEN 2-2 or 1-3
    UTA 2-2

    DEN:
    HOU 2-2 or 3-1
    UTA 3-1
    POR 4-0 or 3-1

    UTA:
    HOU 2-2
    DEN 1-3
    POR 2-2

    POR:
    HOU 1-3
    UTA 2-2
    DEN 1-3 or 0-4

    Now I know we have one game left against Utah but Utah would have to run the table and beat us to go 44-38 like you suggest. Denver could still lose one more game and go 44-38 as could Portland so Denver could lose to us or lose to Portland and still get 44-38.

    If we tally the records:
    Houston would be 6-6 or 7-5.
    Denver would be 9-3 or 8-4.
    Utah would be 5-7
    Portland would be 4-8 or 3-9

    So IF it were to come down to all four teams to have the same record, Denver would be the #7 seed and we'd be eighth. Utah and Portland would be out. For that scenario to occur with all four teams ending up at 44-38, we need to lose 3 out of the next 4(almost appears likely), Utah to win the next 3 (Possible, but not likely) and Denver & Portland to win three of the next four(VERY unlikely or Portland who has to play SA twice and LA once.)
     
  18. scutmb

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    Originally posted by Paxil:

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    because Utah will lose to Minny at Minny.

    This is an assumpation not fact.

    Yes, but Utah's chance to beat Minny at Minny is very low. The first, Minny is much better team; Second Minny need this win as badly as Utah; Third it's a game at Minny. Before the game finished, it's always an assumpation, But the possibility is not good to Utah at all. You may need paxil,if you think Utah will win at Minny. :)
     
  19. SamFisher

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    This is the best post ever.

    Far too long has a guy like B-bob, or should I say, B-Snob, tried to denigrate other people for who they are, what they look like, how they type, whether or not they like to dress up as a member of the Class Marsupialia rather than Mammalia (due to pouch envy, no doubt). Its the kind of conduct that has really singlehandedly destroyed our once deep friendship.

    Compared to him you might be an Avian, in his eyes. But you're just going to have to accept him for what he is: Specious.
     
  20. waihh

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    Houston virtually clinched a play-off already.
    Look at the schedule:
    Denver will play Houston, Portland, Sacramento and San Antonio
    Portland will play Denver, San Antonio twice, and Laker
    Jazz only have three left Houston, Minnesota and phenix
    Houston is going to play Denver Utah Seattle and Dallas.

    Denver is not going to win both Sacramento and SA.
    Portland is virtually out
    Jazz is not going to win Mnnesota on the road.
    So Houston just need one win and all the four games are winnable.

    Do the math. Clinched!
     
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