So you're comparing a washed up Steve Francis coming here for, what, the LLE with Corey Maggette, who's still a pretty good player? Francis came here because it was his home and because we needed depth at the point. And I'm pretty sure in the back of his mind he knew he wouldn't be able to log major minutes on those knees anyway. But this is all a moot point seeing how Francis isn't the "big" FA signing I was looking for. Maybe Bonzi Wells was but, on talent alone, I doubt anyone would say that today's Maggette isn't better than "back then" Wells.
If the Clippers want to resign Brand, they will have to renounce Magette. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3470016
DaDakota, We all know how highly sought after Battier's intangibles are, but the Clippers are not giving up on resigning Brand for Battier.
Why bother with the risky West and SA when Maggette can go straight to Lion's Mouth in Boston if he's really honest about accepting the MLE. I'm still calling him on it and saying he'll never take a contract of the MLE proportion rather than an extended multi year contract with 8 being the very minimum number per year. This i why a sign and trade is the only way we could get him but not when he opts out. It's time to start shifting focus back to Artest and Vince Carter for an upgrade.
is it just me, but doesn't Maggette seem like EXACTLY what the Rockets need? and it looks like he's going to San Antonio. ugh! as it looks now, we are just going to be another middle of the pack team in the west, pissed off because we don't have a 3rd option behind tmac and yao...and how many more seasons are we going to let t hat scenario go?? are we even showing ANY interest to Corey or what?? just puzzles me. instead we're going after......Brent Barry?
Perhaps not a fit for Adelman's system? When Maggette heads to the rack he either gets there or looks for contact. Maybe they want someone who'll throw it back out to keep the ball moving?
what they should want, is someone who can score. someone who can create his own shot, someone that will releive some of the pressure on tmac's shoulders. dont you guys rememeber game 6 at utah?? if tmac wasnt scoring, no one was. man oh man, it seems like the same story just on repeat around here. i'm just curious if no one else really sees this? or maybe everyone si sick of complaining about it?
It would be stupid to let Maggette walk to any other team for the MLE. I like Morey and his money ball scheme and understand how he may feel its not a good fit, but if we don't even make a run at Maggette, then thats just idiotic. Given that, if things pan out with Maggette and landry is going to walk then I say we use him to our advantage. Every team is high on Landry right now; now, i'm not sure if this possible but how about a trade along the lines of: Landry (S&T for MLE, or close to it) and Francis (exp) and the 09 2nd rounder for a Maggette (S&T). This way, Maggette gets more than the Spurs and Celtics offer and he get's to be part of a big 3, rather than be "the big 3's b*tch" aka Spurs and Celtics. Of course, any other endorsement deal in chaina is gravey! Any feedback?
I don't understand (I hope someone can elaborate) how in the world can the Celtics offer MLE or more to Maggette when they have 3 all star players (which I presumed getting max or near max pay).
All teams over the salary cap have an MLE. It's not a question of salary cap space...it's a question of how large does a team want to make it's payroll in relationship to the Luxury Tax. Other than that fact a team has to be over the cap to be over the LTax, the cap and the LTax are mutually exclusive events.
Thanks for the explanation. So obviously the screw up in Landry first year contract lead to the messy situation with Landry and we are not able to offer MLE to other good players.
I know this has a .0001% chance of happening but just entertain me... First we offer Maggette a long term deal with the 1st year being the MLE and the latter years being for more. We could do this because at the end of next season Francis, Jackson, Head (who won't be here if part 2 takes place) have expiring contracts. That is a total of 9.5 mil more we have to work with. Second we trade Battier, Head, and whatever picks we have to Sacramento for Artest. Artest is a better defender and a much better scorer, but the risk is his attitude. Fortunately its only a 1 year risk. Third we sign Brent Barry to the Bi-annual exception that we have this year using the legacy of his family as leverage over San Antonio. Now all of a sudden we have Yao, Scola, Artest, Tmac, and Rafer starting, with Maggette, Tmac, and Artest sharing time. Tmac still gets the most minutes but gets rest too, we can go small against anyone by bumping scola up for yao and putting Mags, Artest, and Tmac in there with rafer. We replace Novack with a better but older Novack. And at the end of the year we should be able to swing a deal with Artest, assuming we want to keep him. I realize its a stretch but it is possible and we have 1 maybe 2 years left in this tandom. What are your thoughts?
I may be the minority, but I think morey is doing the right thing here. Maggette is probably going to receive full MLE from Spurs, Magic, Celtics, Jazz, and a host of other ppl, simply because he's worth more than the MLE. Just because Morey throws the MLE at him doesn't mean we get him. But the difference is that throwing MLE at him and failing results in a loss Carl Landry. All the other teams don't have aspect to free agency. If they don't win the Maggette sweepstakes, they just move on to the next available guy. So instead of throwing money at Maggette for a miniscule chance at signing him, he's throwing money at Landry and Barry. There's little downside to offering them money, and great upside if we do sign them. Offering Maggette actual has a downside. Also, Maggette is injury prone.
that is not how it works simply offering the MLe does not tie it up until it is signed so it would not effect landry unless maggette accepts the contract
if you get maggette, you let landry walk. it's that simple. Maggette is proven and we need that type of player Maggette>>>>Landry. Lets not get crazy. I love landry. I love the energy he brought, but if we can get Maggette, you gotta let him walk.
Lack of the r is intentional. you're right. I got confused with the right of first refusal and thought it applied to our MLE offer to Maggette and that it would tie up our spending for that week. So if offering full MLE doesn't hurt us (other than hurt feelings), and Morey still didn't offer, I'm guessing this has to do with Dorsey? Morey may want to offer a 3 year deal to Dorsey using up the MLE, similar to Novak's contract. By year 3 Dorsey will be worth more than his contract. So it's either Maggette for MLE or Landry + a third cheap Dorsey year. Morey must not like Maggette's fit as a player or his injury-proneness. I find this to be a toss up. Both deals look good.
