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Mad Max vs. K-Mart

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by legacygt777, Jul 21, 2010.

  1. KingCheetah

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    Give Kevin Martin a cooler nickname and we might have a contest.
     
  2. roslolian

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    Maxwell was a rocket hero, so obviously he did a lot of things that helped the team. Samfisher is right though, the nostalgia haze definitely affects the 99ers on this board, and is the reason why us "newbies" don't really take what you say seriously regarding things that happened in the past. Even in the writeups that you posted these things stand out:

    1993-1994:
    -634 made of out 1981 3 pt shooting. that translates to 0.32% 3 pt shooting. LOL what kind of accomplishment is getting the 2nd highest 3 pointers made if you it at 0.32% FG? He also made 0.298% 3 pt from the season.

    1992-93:
    -Led the Rox fieldgoals despite shooting a sizzling 0.332...I'm thinking they probably would have won more games if those shots had gone to Hakeem instead. Apparently his 'career' shooting percentage is a mind-shattering 0.404%.

    Etc, etc.

    From what I can see all he is an irresponsible chucker who broke plays and played good D. He's also a good example of why the Rockets basically just wasted Hakeem's career and legacy, surrounding him with undisciplined players and a coach whose main tactical play was "give the ball to hakeem and get out of the way". This guy is supposed to be one of the best of his supporting cast, right? And apparently all he's interested in is shooting three's despite having such horrendous fg%. Although considering his other teammates were a pf who broke down due to foul play and some crackhead guards, I guess mad max really was one of the best.

    Unless you absolutely adore Rafer Alston, there's no way you should be picking Madmax over KM. Hell, even Rafer Alston would 2x better than mad max in today's game, where rough play is banned, and guys who implode on a regular basis get suspended multiple games and cost his team a lot in technical fouls.
     
  3. BamBam

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    Madmax.....!!!!!

    "Tinman keep hope alive" :grin:
     
  4. Kwame

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    I'd take Mad Max any day over Kevin Martin.
     
  5. vcchlw

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    We should rejoice if he can play like 80% Ray Allen in his prime
     
  6. tinman

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    did you watch 90s basketball? if they played in today's game with no hand checking, he dropped 51 points on Rafer, Maxwell was very quick that's why he was a good defender.

    He didn't imploded on a regular basis, he got technical fouls but he wasn't thrown out of the game every week.

    And he was a chucker, don't mistake that with taking a bad shot.
    you guys like he's Ron Artest for shot selection.

    Don't make me make that Mad Max vs Rafer thread. You will lose like T-mac in the first round.
     
  7. meh

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    Ray Allen's best season at age 30: 25.1ppg/4.3rpg/3.7apg/59%TS
    Kev Martin's best season at age 24: 24.6ppg/3.6rpg/2.6apg/60%TS
     
  8. speedball

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    yeah, i can close my eyes and easily see maxwells face after a horrible call. [​IMG]
     
  9. Dream lover

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    did you actually dis coach T on this board? I feel a burning sensation in your direction.
     
  10. Dream lover

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    You know I comletely forget that he had broke his wrist 92-93. I wonder if a healthy Max could have gotten us past the Sonics.
     
  11. roslolian

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    His career 3 pt percentage 0.32%, yet according to your own article clipping he managed to almost tie Larry Bird's 13 year career 3 pointers taken in just 6. If that wasn't a chucker who is?

    Also the OP specifically stated its 2011 nba he's talking about. Maxwell may indeed score 51 pts on rafer alston, but considering his 0.32% percentage he'll have to take 51 shots to get there.
     
  12. tinman

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    look dude, i saw maxwell play, he does not play at ALL like Ron Artest.

    He jacks up tons of 3s. Do you know the Rockets offense was setup?

    I said he was a chucker, but he didn't have bad shot like Artest. He's not jacking up the ball unless it gets dumped into Dream first.

    comprede?

    If it was just Maxwell vs Rafer, Rafer's crappy tear drop wouldn't work against Maxwell.

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  13. roslolian

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    Well I guess I don't really see the difference between Artest's shot selection, Alston's shot selection and Maxwell's shot selection. Remember Alston used this same reasoning: "His shots were always within the system", and in fact was endorsed by both Gundy bros. Bottom line is all of them took a ton of 3's when they have no business taking it.

    Also I understand that Maxwell overall and at his peak is a much better player than the Skip to my lou we all saw and loathed here, however in terms of scoring pts, Rafer has a much better shot than Maxwell. That was all I'm trying to say.
     
  14. Rehabstudios

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    If Max couldn't get physical on d, who knows how good his d would be. Imagine if no one could hand check MJ o_0 Max would make you have to go thru him to get to the rim. To impede a players progress to the basket is a foul now. To be great at d in todays nba you not only have to be scrappy/active but you have to be fundamentaly sound as well. The enforcers who didnt have fundamentals, just went in to work you over and beat you up, got outlawed by Stern.
     
  15. Mav-Hater

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    Did I miss Vernon's birthday or what? What is the deal with all the MAD Max vs. threads?
     
  16. MadMax

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    The Rockets offense in the mid-90's was made for "chuckers." Toss it into Hakeem...send it back out for shots.

    Max wasn't flying around taking awful shots. He was usually taking set shots from the 3 point line. Shots the offense set up for him, Kenny and whoever else happened to be around the perimeter.

    Beyond that, he could D up. Given that this team played defense like Tinkerbell last season, I'd be alright with a guy like Max in the lineup.

    Beyond that....if you're asking me just a fan....not even close. I have zero attachment to K-Mart at this point...it's still a work in progress. I may come to love the guy. But MadMax? Amongst Rockets fans old enough to remember the first title run? In Boston, Dave Roberts is a freaking hero because he stole a base in game 4 of the 2004 ALCS. It's his career moment...and they still give him a standing ovation every time he goes to Fenway to play a game....FOR ANOTHER TEAM. Comparing MadMax and K-Mart? No comparison. One feels like a player we traded for that was easy to trade again...the other hit arguably the biggest shot in franchise history.
     
  17. tinman

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    he shares the same birthday and jersey number as Yao Ming.
     
  18. Yodels

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    You have to practice the balsy three to be good at it. Maxwell is the only one that mastered it. Most players cower at the moment. Some take it and are not good at it(Rafer, Artest). Some deliver when you need it most...understand?

    Also, while KM is the guy to pick based on stats, you can't go wrong with Maxwell. Maxwell played with a will to win--sometimes that trumps talent--and Maxwell was pretty talented himself.

    As a penetrator, he didn't have great jukes while dribbling (Francis), but he was just as effective as he used his great combination of strength, speed, & quickness. As a shooter he was streaky, but the streaks came when you needed it most. As a defender, he didn't give up--solid 2-way player.
     

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